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Samsung Develops 16Gb Flash Memory

nofrance writes "As promised earlier this year, Samsung has unveiled the world's first 16-gigabit flash memory chip. These chips, when combined in a 16x16 configurations, will allow 32 GigaByte flash cards. Using 50-nanometer manufacturing technology, these chips will be in production by the second half of 2006, with Samsung promising that their 32Gb team will impress next year." From the article: "According to the company, the cell size of the fingernail-sized flash chip has been reduced about 25 percent from that of the 60 nm 8 Gbit NAND: The new 50 nm flash memory contains cells that measure 0.00625 square microns per bit. The 16 Gbit device holds 16.4 billion functional transistors, Samsung said. "

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  1. Hmmm... by bobalu · · Score: 5, Funny

    guess I should hold off on that Apple iPod nano, eh?

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  2. But does it run Linux? by A+Dafa+Disciple · · Score: 5, Funny

    FTA:
    The 16Gbit device holds 16.4 billion functional transistors

    Woah, that's a relief. I was afraid that I might be buying a device with billions of non-functional or even disfunctional transistors.

    Now that Samsung has distinguished this for me, from now on, I'm going to make sure all the devices I purchase have fully functional transistors.

    1. Re:But does it run Linux? by dsginter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Woah, that's a relief. I was afraid that I might be buying a device with billions of non-functional or even disfunctional transistors.

      Just a note...

      Flash is not perfect. It is typical for a small percentage of bits to be bad right off of the line. All of the devices contain error correction circuitry in order to compensate for bad bits. There are actually many more than 16.4 billion transistors on board. Many of them will be marked as bad, however.

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  3. Re:16 gigaBYTE, not gigaBIT by cosinezero · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, but individual memory chips often do not come rated in bytes but in bits and are configured in parallel to complete the byte. Hence "16x16 config" making 32GB.

  4. Re:Call me when by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Replacing disk with flash RAM is not feasible: flash isn't fast enough, and doesn't survive enough re-writes to the same blocks. Various tmp files, web caches, and frequently written logfiles would destroy the flash quite quickly the same way they used to be the most common failure points on hard drives. But for tunning a live DVD image of a full OS where writing to the drive doesn't normally occur, or doing OS installations from a USB drive instead of from a CD, this is absolutely fabulous.

    There are some fascinating megnetic storage technologies in the works that might provide easily preserved live OS's that don't need that lengthy "bootstrap" procedure on every boot, but none have yet hit the commercial market.

  5. Re:16 gigaBYTE, not gigaBIT by DigitumDei · · Score: 5, Informative

    Err, it is Gb. The individual chips are rated in Gigabits, and only the final 16 chip products in gigabytes.

    Thus the 16 Gb chip is 2GB and when you have 16 of those you get, you guessed it, 32GB.

  6. With a 4gb microdrive I get 540 images by purduephotog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I shoot weddings. With my 10D I get approximately 540 images, RAW, written to the MD. I'll usually pound thru 4 batteries (2x2) in the course of a day event; I have 6 spares.

    Assuming I win the lotto and/or can reinvest some of the wedding profit towards a camera instead of my leaking roof, I would move up to a 1Ds, selling for 3K, which writes out 11mb RAW files.

    That means a 32gb CF card would store: 2400 images

    Your typical wedding/reception lasts 7 hours. Add a couple of the bridesmaids getting dressed (You do NOT want to miss that, HAHAHA) and you're at a 10 hour day.

    That means you're taking a frame about every 15 seconds, were you to fill that up.

    Cost of film? Let's say you're shooting 35MM instead of medium format (arguably a 1DS is a little less in terms of quality than a Hassy at 16x20, but the customer would probably never see it) then thats 67 rolls of film. A propack of 400NC from BH Photo is 28.45 for 5 rolls, which translates 14 packs at a cost of 400$.

    Plus processing, tack on about 10$ per roll and you're at $1000 worth of money.

    Where am I going?

    No one shoots 3K worth of photos. It's insane. It's insane by even MY standards. But on a trip it's definately worth it to have... and I'm not even adressing the transfer rate issues (my firewire transfer from CF is the fastest in the market at 7MB/sec that would take about 1.25hrs to transfer)

    This is an incredible leap forward but the biggest advantage will be the price pressuer on lower sized cards.

    After all, drop one of these babies and you're out a pretty penny.

  7. Re: Yes & No! by tabkey12 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Firstly, it's 16 Gigabit, not Gigabyte, so you won't be seeing a 32GB Nano any time soon.

    Next, the 2GB has Toshiba Flash Memory Soldered to the board, whereas the 4GB has a daughterboard with 2x2GB Samsung chips. Therefore, it is possible that someone will reelase an upgrade to the 4GB Nano at some point in the future, but Apple may well have disabled support in the (closed) Nano sofware for flash support above 4GB in the current generation.

  8. Re:Hard drive industry vs Flash card industry by karvind · · Score: 5, Informative
    I am not sure if you understand the difference in technologies here. First of all it is 16 Gbit and not Gbyte (and next year it will be 32 Gbit). To compete with regular harddisks you are talking about making atleast 80 GByte harddrives.

    (a) Do a cost analysis. Even if they shrink the gatelength to 25 nm (which will not happen because FLASH memories WILL not work at 25 nm gate lenght, regular transistors will), you will be still be limited to say 100 GBit. Yield is another issue which will drive cost. Debugging such large memory arrays is NOT trivial.

    (b) Reading mechanism for FLASH memories is different from Harddisks. Larger the memory arrays, slower it becomes. Make arrays smaller ? You will have lot of peripheral overhead which will drive your cost up. Why is peripheral hard to make ? Because peripherals are made in regular CMOS technology as compared to FLASH technology - integrating them together is a pin in the ass. This is one place which requires more improvement, the memory controller on the FLASH chips is still slow (even if access time from the individual cell is fast).

    (c) Will 25 nm FLASH be any faster ? Not necessarily. The gate length scales, but interconnect capacitance doesn't. Smaller transistors will have smaller parasitic capacitance but they may not be necessrily able to drive the long bit/word lines. Solution : Make individual cells bigger. What do you lose ? Your memory becomes bigger.

    In short there is a reason why magnetic HDD will stay. Yes there are applications where 10-20GB is enough, but not everywhere. That is why digital MP3s are swept by FLASH based drives. And don't forget that FLASH drives have rated endurance of 100,000 write/erase. Do you want such a thing for your laptop ? probably not.