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Office 12 Exposed

damieng writes "The Programmers Developer Conference (PDC) has unveiled the user interface for Microsoft Office 12. Bearing more than a passing resemblance to Aqua and brushed metal looks from Mac OS X the menus now appear to operate more like a tab popping-out the right toolbar instead of a sub-menu."

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  1. Office Vista? by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if they're going to codename it Office Vista, in keeping with common versioning practices.

    1. Re:Office Vista? by LLuthor · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Don't they already?
      1. Professional Enterprise Edition
      2. Professional Edition
      3. Small Business Management Edition
      4. Small Business Edition
      5. Student and Teacher Edition
      6. Standard Edition
      7. Basic Edition
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      LL
    2. Re:Office Vista? by cashman73 · · Score: 5, Funny
      7 versions of office might actually work, or perhaps better yet, 7 versions of Clippy, representing different demographic subtypes:

      • Southern Clippy: "I see y'all are tryin' to write a lett-uh! Do ya need some help?"
      • Ghetto Clippy: "Looks like you be tryin' to write a letter! Maybe we can help ya out, bitch!"
      • British Clippy: "I see you are trying to write a letter. Let's work on that together, but right after our afternoon tea."
      • Chinese Clippy: "I see you're trying to write a letter. Sorry, that option is not available to users of Windows Vista Starter Edition. Not to mention that the Communist party has banned communication anyways."
      • Australian Clippy: "Ya tryin' to write a letter, mate! Alright, let's get started!"
      • Iraqi Clippy: "Are you trying to write a letter bomb? Let me help you. First, what national leader do you want to target today?"
    3. Re:Office Vista? by athakur999 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ricer Clippy: "Yo, I see you're writing a paper. It'd look mad tight if you changed the font of the title to Wing Dings and made it bright red."

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      "People that quote themselves in their signatures bother me" - athakur999
  2. I'm not an expert... by theotherlight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but it looks as though they've thrown every bit of GUI common practice and standardization out of the window.

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    The cat's in the bag and the bag's in the river.
    1. Re:I'm not an expert... by bedroll · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Don't fault them for trying to better their UI. When you use it and it doesn't work for you, then seek alternatives. If it doesn't work for most people, they'll switch back, but you'll be able to fault them then.

      Do remember that their office suite competes in a market that sees little innovation, because little is needed. This means that in order to maintain dominance they must either provide a technically superior product, provide a better user interface, or lock down file formats. Technical superiority is debatable, they may or may not do that already. Locking down file formats is what we DON'T want them to do. That leaves UI for competition. If they don't change it up enough then products like WordPerfect or OpenOffice.org will catch up with them in the UI and make it so that they have to compete via the other methods. Since technical superiority will probably always be debatable, it leads them back to locking down file formats... and we still don't want that.

      Anyhow, if anyone can rewrite the rules of UI and get away with it, it's the people with most of the market share. They happen to be it.

    2. Re:I'm not an expert... by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Interesting

      it looks as though they've thrown every bit of GUI common practice and standardization out of the window.

      This is how improvements to user interfaces can be brought about. In theory, Microsoft had a good GUI with Word. In practice, it was a complicated, bloated piece of shit that was a nightmare to try to use, especially if there were more then one user using it.

      It appears that Microsoft has taken the complaints of users (well, complaints I've had for quite some time anyway) and worked on a new GUI that addresses these concerns. There's no reason the GUI should look the same it did back in Word95.

      One of my big problems is that the toolbar is too complex. There are too many submenu's, trying to customize it so it displays relevant things (and keeping it's settings which was always buggy) was always a chore. The whole "let's hide most of the menu in the drop-down menu" thing was annoying. Now with it being in the toolbar represented via graphics, with a very small amount of parent menus, I'll be able to find what I want much more easily. This is a good thing(TM).

      Is it different? Sure. Will some people be confused? Definitely. Is the difference a great enough improvement to deal with the confusion? IMO, most definitely.

      Now if only they'd do something about those damn Virus-writer (sorry, "Macros") and make it less bloated and buggy.

    3. Re:I'm not an expert... by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Well, we know that there are problems with the way things work now. There are limitations. Apple are constantly being given praise for their "innovations" when their newer OSs have actually done very little more than System 9 in usability terms -- they're actually introduced some new issues, while simply prettifying what was there (and putting it on a far more solid base).

      Oh, come on. I agree that OS X is less consistent than the Classic UI was, but you cannot say that they have been standing still with interface innovations. Off the top of my head:

      - hardware-accelerated compositing and rendering (Quartz/Core Image)

      - Expose/Dashboard
      - previews of vector-based files (PDFs, AIs, etc)
      - system-wide PDF support and printing
      - universal spell-check
      - Finder column view
      - Spotlight searching
      A lot of these are inherited from NeXTStep, but does it matter?... I can point to concrete improvements that affect me every day, and that's important. Photoshop without Expose is unthinkable for me now. I miss my spatial finder, and I hate that they keep fucking around with various 'themes'... but I definitely do not miss having 100+ extensions, 50+ control panel 'applets', a calculator that hadn't been updated since 1988 and a UI that would come to a screeching halt if I clicked a menu. There is progress being made and they deserve credit for things done right.

      About the new Office 12 interface: its stupid that they just borrow elements (i.e.. glossy buttons, brushed metal with middle-lit gradient) because they think Apple made them cool. Microsoft is big and rich enough to come up with something really compelling and new. They just don't. They go with what they think is 'good enough'. Which is pretty bad to you and me.

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      If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
  3. Re:slashdotted already by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes

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    Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
  4. Re:RTFA? by strider44 · · Score: 5, Informative
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  6. Re:ewww by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    thats ugly looking, seriously. Although I'm not found of the OSX interface either

    It's not the look that really matters - we've gone through endless cycles of what looks "neat", skinnable apps, and now 3D spinning apps (though I find it hilarious that the brushed aluminum look is being attributed to Apple. I used brushed aluminum on my first website about 15 years ago. It's hardly a unique appearance).

    What is really interesting, however, is that they fundamentally changed the usability of the application - the manner in which toolbars look and layout has changed, as have many of the other user-interaction elements. This is something that Microsoft has been very hesitant to do, as one of the reasons people stick with Office through the versions is consistency - Drop Office XP in front of someone who used Office 95 a decade ago, and they'll largely find it the same (just with more/better features).

    With Microsoft significantly changing things, they have the risk of it being such a schism that people seriously evaluate the option of going to Open Office or other alternatives. If your users are going to need training, and are going to bitch and complain about their cheese moving, then you might as well re-evaluate the whole thing.

  7. Re:Hole With No Bottom by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We hit true WYSIWYG and haven't seen a real change since,"

    Not with Word we haven't. I still can't print the exact same Word file on two different printers and get the same pagination. Thank God we're switching to PDF-based prepress systems to sort of eliminate this problem. If I'm in a rush and this problem occurs, I tell the support staff to just fudge the layout (insert carriage returns, screw with margins, whatever) to make it work so I can get something out the door.

  8. Re:Hole With No Bottom by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    . . .requiring 95% of its user base to relearn everything they already know. . .

    Don't be silly. Everyone knows the reason not to change to OpenOffice is to avoid retraining.

    . . .did I just describe the state of word processors, or the state of enterprise software in general?

    They're starting to run out of chrome and tailfins. Now they're starting to put tits on the squid.

    KFG

  9. Re:even worse are misleading options by Psykechan · · Score: 5, Funny
    Check out this picture and despair.

    Will be saved in: MS Word Document
    File Type: C:\Users\Pat\Documents

    If they can't figure out what goes where while they are rearranging the save dialog, what hope do the end users have of finding things.
  10. Re:Office 12 and Windows Stability by Zemplar · · Score: 5, Funny

    You must be new here. It's always Windows fault.

  11. Re:Hole With No Bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I still can't print the exact same Word file on two different printers and get the same pagination.
    That's because Microsoft doesn't have WYSIWYG, and it looks like they either don't understand what it is, or they're not even trying to develop it. The best Microsoft has produced so far is WYGIWYS (What You Get Is What You'll See). First you have to tell their software what printer you have. Now that they know that, they can determine what it will look like when printed (on that particular printer only!) and know what to show you on screen. Switch printers and they change the on-screen look to match. They have it exactly backwards.

    Some of you Microsoft apologists will disagree with the above, but you can easily verify this. Try to do a print preview in Word before you set up a printer on the machine. It won't let you! Why? Because they need to know the hardware to know what the hardcopy will look like. True WYSIWYG is device independent, i.e. they print it to match the on-screen look not the other way around as Microsoft does.

    Why is this important? Amongst many other reasons, we need to know when we email someone a document that it will print out on the other guy's printer (most probably a different model than ours) exactly as it was meant to. Anything less is pathetic at this point.

    AC
  12. Re:Hole With No Bottom by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is why OS X's use of a PDF-based graphics model was such a good idea. What you see on screen is how it's going to look when you print it (further solidifying the presence of Macs in the publishing industry). The Windows graphics model in 2005 is just embarrassing.

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    "Sufferin' succotash."
  13. Re:Hole With No Bottom by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, I see that if you Google on "tits on a squid" my original use is all that shows up, so I guess it's "mine." I promise not to sue anyone who uses it though, unless they put an "i" or a "G" in front of it. I admit it, I could use 35 mil, and I'd settle for dollars or euros, not pounds.

    The NY Times can substitue the politically correct euphemism "Feminine mammilian secondary sexual characteristics superimposed onto a coleoidean companion," or "Fmsscsoacc" for a snappy and easily pronouncable acronym.

    It's not really a replacement for "jump the shark" though. It means something a bit different from a differenct point of view.

    It refers to adding a powerful attractor to something that isn't otherwise very attractive; and may even be innately repulsive, but whose actual value and usfulness is, ummmm, "questionable."

    And to a certain extent it'll work too, especially as displayed on the sales floor the squid is all dressed up in a Wonderbra(tm) and a tight blouse unbuttoned just so. The instinctual response to reach out and fondle will be very strong.

    Of course, sooner or later, after you get it home and out of the shrink wrap, you'll start to realize you're getting all hot and bothered by feeling up a squid, at least if you've reached the primate level of evolution. That still leaves the problem with management.

    "Jump the shark" is the "consumer" point of view phrase for an attractor having lost its attractiveness.

    B.F. Skinner already coined the phrase for this from the marketers point of view. He noted that you could train a pigeon to do extrordinary things, so long as you never broke the task/reward cycle. If you did that the pigeon in question would simply ignore all further attempts to train it to do anything at all.

    He called this "losing your pigeon."

    How apropos.

    KFG