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P2P Now and Then
brajesh writes "There was an earlier story on Slashdot regarding eDonkey overtaking BitTorrent in P2P traffic. The BBC story was based on this press release by CacheLogic. To expand on this, there is a comprehensive analysis of P2P trends in 2005 by the same firm. The report makes some insights into the present and future of P2P, particularly interesting in the light of recent steps taken by BBC -BBC iMP and others. The analysis also makes some observations about the break-up of P2P content."
- There is a lot of P2P traffic.
- This will not decrease.
- P2P packages will come and go.
- Industry had better embrace this.
I don't know squat about eDonkey and Fasttrack, so I don't know how these considerations apply to them.
Maybe. There's nothing inherently egalitarian about the internet.
Lessig's "Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace" touches on this. Code is law-- how the 'net is structured determines how it's used, with the nigh force of law.
The internet is fairly favorable to the "little guy" right now, but Lessig says there's nothing inherently unchangeable about the internet's Code. The battle for the internet *has not been won*.
I've tried to download files from edonkey for several months, without success.
All i've got is "Queue #4339 of 4339" (in the worst case) and average of 140 people before me in my around 20 sources. And I mean anime fansubs, not pron (but it could apply).
Considering that each file takes around 5 hours to transfer, my ETA would be equal to 29 days before my download actually starts.
This makes me wonder if all the traffic in edonkey belongs to the 1/140 = 0.71% lucky guys who got to be the first ones in the queues.
Gnutella, on the other hand, is my preferred source for downloads. I always get to download stuff.
So... my question is... has any slashdotter in here been able to ACTUALLY download ANYTHING from edonkey? How long it takes before a download actually starts? Does the p2p client change your probability of success?
Answers would be appreciated.
On http://www.cachelogic.com/products/cachepliance.ph p/ they sell several configurations of a P2P file caching server, saying it will save the ISP money in bandwidth. But wouldn't it also remove their protection as a common provider? I mean the ISP would actually be hosting the files going around on P2P, which would mostly be copyrighted works.
It sounds fine to me personally, the ISP saves bandwidth and I get sent the file from a server hosted right at my ISP, but it seems like an insanely risky thing for an ISP to do. A general purpose caching machine would be fine -HTTP, FTP, Bittorrent, etc. indiscriminately stored, but picking just p2p traffic.... what do you think?
are these statistics true i mean i dont use gnutella, edonkey, fastrack only bittorrent which tend to go slower and slower lately and the superior dc network which in my opinion is lightyears ahead of those gnutella edonkey fastrack i find everything on dc even the very rare things like dutch shows, swedish films, ... mame roms and i dld really fast if i put myself into the job of searching alternatives
by the way i use this client http://dcgui.berlios.de/
Why doesnt someone even mention these p2p network it used to be much more elite 2-3 years ago and free of viruses back then which tends to change lately but still on the upside,now regulary there pops off a new hub over 8000 usrs and with more then 1 PiB share! or do i know exposed a network that everybody agreed on to never reveal????
Printing presses are large, expensive, hard to hide, and easy to suppress. This is why they have such high Constitutional protections.
Huh and double huh. Copyright was created to protect authors from owners of printing presses. Obviously this involved suppressing unauthorized production, but you're still missing the point. A huge printing press making millions of copies would easily outcompete a small pirate press on the whole. It is the copyright holders that get really screwed. That is why you go to the bookstore and not print it on your inkjet too.
Their problem is that whomever anc afford and control the press controls the news. For The People this is a double-edged sword.
My reporting of the news isn't copyrighted by someone else, so how does this belong here at all? Besides, the bigger problem has always been who people listen to. Write a blog, and see 0.000001% of the world's population care.
OTOH, P2P is small, cheap, everywhere, and hard to suppress. While it cannot merit the need for such heavy handed protection yet, it disseminates information broadly and uncontrollably.
By any logic, P2P is far more dangeous to the concepts that copyright is supposed to protect. However, the world simply depends on P2P (in the broad sense of Internet). It just doesn't matter how much crap is travelling on the highway - you couldn't tear it up the roads no matter what.
For The People this is often a good thing!
Unstoppable, uncontrollable flow of information? Well, as far as free entertainment goes, sure. Just remember that information is far more than that. That's also your medical/criminal/credit card record that someone took, those private pics of you and your wife some hacker stole and whatever else. It is that confidential data that your company depended on which cost you your job. And that slanderous rumor your ex put out about you, and those photoshopped pics of you and your dog. And then I haven't even gotten to the nasty parts yet.
P2P is currently a medium for a broad range of people (copyright infringers) against the interests of a small group of people (copyright holders). Once anonymous networks become common (and that is coming, RIAA lawsuits or not but they're speeding it up), you don't need security in numbers. Every form for extreme can exchange their material without caring what the other 99% of the people think about them. I don't think there's any other way, but I don't believe that future is all good either.
Kjella
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actually if you look at totalitarian societies, one of the cornerstones is restricted access to information. Should the poor be not aloud to look at certain things because they are poor?
one could easily make a convincing arguement that the political sphere of america is a form of corporate totalitarianism. So i dont think the GP was very far off the mark.
I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
Continued abuse of those protocols will simply give the industry the hammer they need to outlaw their use.
:) in this scenario computer A and C supposedly transefered an illegal document that would get my shot by 'his greatness our supremme commander for Life' meanwhile innoculous old computer B which just passed the data along, was really the computer that wanted a copy of the data. done right computer B doesn't even HAVE an ip address. it just operates on layer two of the OSI model, and looks no different from any other piece of hardware that allows data to be sent over a greater distance without needing an ip address.
:) so when do we get a p2p app that operates by default on layer 2 of the OSI model, pretending to be a switch between some random ip address that isn't in use and the real IP of the person downloading the file ;) ;)
So you're saying they're gonna outlaw the internet huh?
No matter how many times you encrypt a packet and sneak it around the net, at some point in time you, the recipient, have to actually receive it at your IP address
you don't understand much about how the internet works. Let't say I am the evil hacker downloading the 'constitution' because you know it's been modified and i'm distributing the unmodified text. But I'm sneaking the packet around and don't want to look like i am recieving it. as long as i set it up so that MY computer is a route between two compromized systems the end destination of that packet isn't me, but i can have manipulate and swipe a copy of all that data without anyone on the entire internet being aware of anything other than the fact 'that packet passed through' my system. so now instead of blaming me, you're balming the compromised system of someone's 80 year old grandmother, and when you sieze her computer there is no trace of who exploited her, nor of any of the 'files' that supposedly were downloaded to her computer.
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so there you go
the data might have gone Through my computer network Sir, But as you can See my System is Clean of any suspicious files or activities!
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
From the article, the section on P2P market share, it shows that the majority of Singaporeans use BitTorrent for their P2P filesharing needs. One of the reasons for this may be that the ISPs in Singapore throttles down the eDonkey traffic significantly more than the BitTorrent traffic. It's a pity, as eD2k is a great P2P network. The recent versions of eMule supports Kademlia, which makes the client even more efficient in message passing between the P2P nodes.
While eD2k users are suffering from poor performance, the BitTorrent users seem to be fine. Thus, many eD2k users have switched over to the BitTorrent network for their files.
In the past before the P2P proliferation in Singapore, my eMule could download at ~40KB/s easily. Now, it is crawling at 10KB/s. Sometimes even the upstream capacity gets capped.
I wonder why the BitTorrent network does not suffer from bandwidth throttling as much as the eD2k network.
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