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Global Warming Past The Point of No Return
mad_goldfish writes "The UK's Independent is running a front page story today on a scientific report claiming that global warming is now unstoppable, after measuring changes in the level of ice in the arctic." From the article: "The greatest fear is that the Arctic has reached a 'tipping point' beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss of sea ice and with it the massive land glaciers of Greenland, which will raise sea levels dramatically. Satellites monitoring the Arctic have found that the extent of the sea ice this August has reached its lowest monthly point on record, dipping an unprecedented 18.2 per cent below the long-term average." Either way, someone wins a bet.
I miss the days when we were going thru our ice age. I blame Bush and his policies for causing global warming and bringing us out of the ice age!
What do you mean that the earth has been warming for millions of years? Malarky
Err, I don't know...maybe the missing ozone layer has something to do with it?
Of course up until recently the Earth's climate was wildly variable, pretty damn close to chaotic. We have no idea what could have been changing Earth's temperature as rapidly as the ice samples indicate.
Well, it couldn't be because we don't have a clue about how to date things could it? Our entire dating technology is completely and utterly circular. So, for all we truly know, it could simply be that we got it wrong (imagine that!) and it's merely the yearly cycles that are being detected.
Wow...leave it to science to forget about individual bias-ness and cult-like following of it to disprove what is inevitably true.
Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
If we've really reached this "tipping point", then can we finally stop worrying about it and get on with our lives?
Interesting point...
No matter how much oil you personally burn, the total global human population will use a fixed amount of oil
Ahh, the art of blatently stating an obvious lie and claiming it as the truth to drive down your opinion. Probably not a great idea to start an argument with such an obvious one though.
we use as much oil as you can pump out of the ground, and we have reached the point where it is very hard to use more oil.
We use as much oil as the OPEC wants to pump out of the ground. They can pump more but that would lower the prices and make them less profit. Notice any lack of enviromental concern in the decision process about the amount of oil that should be pumped out of the ground.
So conservation does not help global warming
Why would you want conservation to help global warming. You have confused even yourself. We are trying to make an argument wether conservation would help global warming.
it just lowers the price so that the Chineese can burn more
Surprisingly you have hit a half-trueth, but I can't give you any points since you reached it without any proper evidence.
For the good of humanity, it is important that you burn as much oil as you can afford to
For the good of humanity, it is important that you read more then one opinion about oil production and the environment. Look up the word "propaganda" too. Form an actual opinion for a change.
Sorry this turned into a flame. It will most likely make you upset. That is not all bad though, since you might feel you have to spend just a teensy bit more time writing down your opinion next time.
1)You cant learn anything from fiction.
The whole geosynchronous sattelite thing must be unimportant...
2)Genetic engineering must be silly because it might lead to dinosaurs being produced.
3)Conceding that you dont know all the answers must mean you're a horrible scientist.
Instead of stroking your own ego, just stroke yourself next time. You're a TWIT.
Truth isn't Truth - Guliani