Slashdot Mirror
BSD Usage Survey
hubertf writes "The BSD Certification Group announced the BSD Usage Survey today (non-English version also available). 'This survey aims to collect detailed statistics on how and where BSD systems are used around the world. The survey is short- only 19 questions- and should only take a few minutes to complete. The survey covers usage of the four main BSD projects - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD and DragonFly BSD.'"
The survey doesn't address personal use, which I would assume is a larger, more important part of the various BSD projects because with larger consumer market share, there is more of a push to develop drivers to support devices, and more reason for appliation developers to port apps.
I think that developing an operating system intended for business is a fine thing, but developing an operating system that can handle different markets in the event of a collapse of a market is better.
I'm took this survey earlier this morning, when I got it from a mailing list. It struck me as interesting that Dragonfly BSD is now considered one of the main BSD distros. I'm sure that I speak for a lot of Slashdotters when I say that I think that it's awesome that a small project like this can evolve so quickly and efficiently.
Kudos to the Dragonfly BSD team!
- dshaw
From the start Dragonfly has been one of the main distros imho. They forked FreeBSD and have clear ideas about how it's supposed to work and work hard to get it done. They're part of the BSD landscape now and I think they'll be here for a long time.
home
I understood OS X to be BSD based, so I'm surprised that OS X is not counted as a distribution. I'd be interested to see posted why or why not OS X can be counted as a distribution of BSD; if it quacks like a duck, it seems like it should be included in a survey of this sort.
If OS X is truly a BSD distribution, doesn't it serve BSD evangelists to recognize and promote that?
--
$tar -xvf
I'm missing CowboyNeal in almost every question.
Survey is less than a week old and there are at this moment over 2200 responses in several languages!
- Usage: FreeBSD 74%,OpenBSD 32%,NetBSD 20%,DragonFly 3%
- Number of companies with less than 10 systems- 1515; more than 1000 systems- 18
- Where used: North America 44%; Europe 46%; Austrailia/New Zealand 6%; Asia 6%
- Company size: Less than $500K- 1199; Greater than $100M- 117
Coolest 'Uses' comments:- Running large computational fluid dynamic model
- Building access control
- impress chicks on saturday night
- Specialized image processing, touchscreen office appliance
The survey will run through at least the end of September, so these numbers will obviously change.We can use your help. Join the mailing list and contribute ideas and expertise. We're in need of business as well as technical expertise. Let us know what you can contribute with the 'Contact Us' form on the website www.bsdcertification.org.
Thanks to everyone who filled out the survey!
I'm a *BIG* huge fan of DragonFly BSD and from everything I've seen and read, Matt Dillon and co. are fantastic coders. However, the reason why 5.x has for a long time sucked has far more to do with the fact that the FreeBSD Project bit off more than it could chew; they were adding far too many features all at one time for them to be able to do it all in a managable, and timely fashion, and not due to the loss of Matt Dillon.
5 -09/msg00018.html
SMPng (fine grained kernel locking), KSE (multi-threading the kernel, and providing both M:N and 1:1 threading for userland programs), TrustedBSD MAC Framework and POSIX ACLs, Itanium, AMD64, PowerPC and UltraSparc processor ports, GEOM and GBDE, full kernel preemption, new drivers (including a mass migration to NetBSD's BUSDMA APIs), inclusion of OpenBSD cryptographic code, a new SMP aware process scheduler (Shed_ULE), devfs, a few thousand new ports/packages and a ton of other things that I can't even remember right now were all begun around the same time, all requiring the others to be aware of the various changes that were being made all over the kernel and userland. Matt Dillon was around for at least half of that work, and even then, it was far too big a project for the FreeBSD developers to have undertaken all at one time.
Quite frankly, it was madness. Let's not forget that they also had to support the 4.x branch because it would have required one to be absolutely insane to employ 5.x in *any* mission critical tasks during most of it's lifetime. (OT: I remember when 5.0-RELEASE came out, I attempted to switch to another virtual terminal, only to be greeted with what I called the "Lava Lamp of Death," because that's what I saw on screen, and I was unable to get out of it without rebooting.)
I hold Matt Dillon in high regard, but his departure from the project was not the reason for it's woes over the last few years. Poor planning and a monsterous set of goals were the biggest reasons why it's taken so long for FreeBSD 5.x to get to where it is today.
DragonFly is not currently without it's problems either. The serializing token code will probably have to be completely replaced at least one more time (making it Matt's third attempt IIRC) because although he believes the current API to be both nice and correct, the implementation is bug-prone, having caused a number of issues that seriously impacted the stability of DragonFly in multiprocessor systems:
http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/bugs/200
DragonFly also suffers from the lack of a proper package management system. FreeBSD 4.x ports with the dfports overrides is neither up to date, nor especially fun to make work when something breaks, and although pkgsrc is an option, not all of the most important ports (like X.org) currently build on DragonFly without a number of patches from Jörg Sonnenberger (which sadly have not yet been integrated into pkgsrc itself by the NetBSD folks), and even then (at least for me) it seems to be hit or miss.
I am not the most knowledgable person in regards to these issues; I'm not a programmer, but I read alot of documentation as well as the mailing lists for both projects, and I have used both systems over the past three years (and FreeBSD since 4.5), and I can safely say that it was not Matt Dillon's loss that was the cause of the nightmare that was 5.x until the most recent releases, but was rather due to people trying to do more in one go than was probably a good idea to have tried.
All that said, I am looking forward to both DragonFly 1.4 (which I hope will become my primary platform as overall it's bugged me far less than any other OS I've used), and FreeBSD 6.0 (despite the fact that it no longer feels "right" to me for day to day stuff anymore).
--Jeremy Almey
> I am surprised by how high OpenBSD and NetBSD is.
> I would have initially thought it would be lower.
OpenBSD is very good for firewalls, the pkgs are vetted carefully and the team do a great job in keeping it as secure as possible. FreeBSD is more desktop orientated these days from what I can tell, and this makes it a little less appealing to those who just want a firewall and nothing else.
Why UNIX?
Well, I'm not the original poster, but I'll take a shot at discrediting the current crop of MySQL benchmarks.
What will likely become quickly obvious after DTrace is ported to FreeBSD is that MySQL has a number of architectural issues that lead to poor performance on non-Linux platforms because of certain assumption about the system call overhead, scheduler behaviour, scheduling priority, and two relatively major problems that would actually result in even better Linux performance, if they were resolved. Everyone else would also benefit, although it would likely be proprtionately more benefit on non-Linux platforms.
The primary reasons for this are:
(1) because of LMBench, Linux has always valued low individual system call overhead, sometimes at the expense of other aspects of the system. Because of this, there's a wrong-minded idea in some of the basic design decisions that "system calls are free". Any place they aren't as or more cheap than Linux suffers disproportionately poorer performance.
(2) the Linux thread scheduler does not try to attempt to provide any degree of fairness in thread scheduling in a multithreaded program like MySQL; as a result, you tend to get individual threads running all their tasks to completion at the exclusion of other work, whereas other systems end up with significant context switch overhead as they attempt to provide the fairness that Linux does not. You could easily whack the FreeBSD or DragonFly scheduler over the head with a large "don't context switch while there is still work to do in the queue" mallet and get similar performance, at the cost of really scattered latencies, just like Linux(+)
(3) the priorities that are set via pthread_setschedparam() are incorrectly scaled for most non-Linux systems, and assume that all implementation have the same bounded range of priorities; this tends to actually drop the server threads in favor of the client and other processes on the system (even cron).
(4) the MySQL server associates a single thread with a single client, rather than using a statite and scheduling work from various clients to the worker threads in thread-LIFO order. Yes, the conversion from a per-connection thread to a work-to-do model would be difficult, but arguably well worth the effort, and would significantly lessen the apparent performance advanatage of #2, while at the same time improving Linux performance as well. When we switched to this model in NetWare, it got us about a 25% performance improvement.
(5) the MySQL client library pays a very high system call overhead, which is mitigated somewhat by #1; however even Linux would *greatly* benefit by batching the calls. This would be done by ensuring that the client library performs larger reads, rather than a 4 byte read followed by another message-type specific read, followed by a 4 byte read on the other end, and another message-type specific read on the other end(*)
Overall, MySQL benchmarks are actually pretty useless as a measure of relative system performance, and will remain so, at least until the performance issues inherent in its architecture have been addressed.
(+) At this point, the question "what about mean measured transaction latency and standard deviation?" should be occurring to someone to include in a future MySQL benchmark.
(*) actually, an even more efficient mechanism could be had here, given that client caching on the server side of things won't work because of the per-connection threading model; the model that would work would be a modified "accept filter" approach, to ensure that the client or server connection only received whole request/response messsages that could then be processed to completion, rather than stalling the work pipeline on partial packets in the face of long messages or intermediate fragmentation.
-- Terry