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MasterCard To Distribute RFID Credit Cards

wellington writes "Reuters is reporting that MasterCard expects to have 4 million "pay pass" cards in circulation by year's end. These new cards will be equipped with a radio-frequency chip that allows customers to pay for purchases by simply waving their cards at readers posted near cash registers or gas pumps." The cards, previously covered on Slashdot, were announced earlier this year.

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  1. More fraud? by Hidyman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How long until crooks have portable swipers to get your card info?
    Hope you don't have your ID, they might get that info, too.

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    1. Re:More fraud? by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 5, Interesting
      On the flipside, the card never has to leave your physical possession.

      MC's gamble is that contactless payment will thus thwart more fraud than it facilitates, while simultaneously encouraging consumers to buy more goods and services, because the PayPass transaction is perceived to be "easier" than exchanging cash or presenting plastic.

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    2. Re:More fraud? by jrockway · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This doesn't make any sense. The time consuming part of a credit card
      transaction is where the cashier checks your signature against the one
      on the back of the card. If you just touch the card, there's no way
      for anyone in authority to verify that you are you. This makes me
      slightly uneasy. Handing the cashier the card and signing wasn't
      really that hard.

      The only place where RFID cars are convenient is for rapid transit
      fare control. You want to get through quickly, and swiping a card is
      actually cumbersome. When I first experienced this was when I was in
      Japan, and the normal card readers there were pretty good so it wasn't
      much of a difference. (More of a novelty really, but I bought in and
      used JR instead of the subway for my monthly pass... google SUICA if
      you're interested.)

      Here in Chicago, though, it's great. The normal farecard readers take
      *forever* to read the card (you'll know this if you're from Chicago),
      but the new RFID-based "Chicago Card" is really really fast and speeds
      boarding onto busses which means you get a seat quicker and get to
      where you're going quicker.

      But for credit cards, this is a security risk.

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    3. Re:More fraud? by petej2310 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Spreading FUD...u should all work for BILL!!!
      These cards are based on SMARTCARDS and the EMV standards (3DES, PKI, challenge-auth techniques) against which millions of credit and debit cards have been issued. The only difference is that they use an RF interface to provide comms and power the chip.
      See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_14443/
      They ARE NOT RFID tags, they do not emit your card number, banks (as other have correctly posted) are smart enough to NOT provide OTHER avenues of fraud.

    4. Re:More fraud? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was in Hong Kong a while back. They have something called an Octopus card, which is a RFID card that you can charge with dollars money. It's mostly used for mass transit, but you can use it in many stores, phones, parking, etc. It was pretty slick - you'd scan it and the reader would tell you how much you had left on it.

      The cool thing about it is you just add money to it as needed, it's not tied to any personal bank account or linked to you in any way. If you lose it, you are out of luck but even if someone could hijack your signal, the most you'd ever lose is what was on the card.

      Thinking of it just now, Hong Kong is pretty damn high-tech. You'd think if it was so easy to capture RFID, there'd be signs say "Be sure to protect your card" or something. There were plenty of signs everywhere warning you of various laws and dangers. Everyone, and I mean everyone, has one of these Octopus cards in Hong Kong (well, I read 95% of them do because noone has cars.)

    5. Re:More fraud? by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The time consuming part of a credit card transaction is where the cashier checks your signature against the one on the back of the card.
      Have you ever used your credit card? It's pretty rare that cashiers will check your signatures, particularly if you're paying for something under $100. Try working as a clerk somewhere and notice the looks you get if you take the time to compare a signature, not to mention the arguments that will erupt with the few customers whose signature doesn't match, but are the legitimate owner.

      People don't expect to have their signature checked, especially for small purchases. I've worked as a clerk, even people who write "SEE ID FOR SIGNATURE" on their card's signature line will be confused when you ask to see their ID, most forget they have it written on their card or are not used to actually being asked for it.
    6. Re:More fraud? by gravij · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The time consuming part of a credit card transaction is where the cashier checks your signature against the one on the back of the card.
      I disagree. When I worked on a checkout in a supermarket I found the most time consuming part of the transaction was:
      • waiting for the customer to get search through their wallet for the right card,
      • swiping it a few times,
      • forgetting to press ok to confirm transaction,
      • waiting for the system to connect and authenticate,
      • waiting for the slip to print out.
      Handing the slip to the customer, them squiggling on it and me having a quick look to see if the two squiggles was not the hold up in the process.
  2. Not a big change by drivinghighway61 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article claims these new RFID cards will be a breakthrough in ease of use, like PayPal was for online purchases. However, the change to simply a wave isn't that much better than a swipe. One wonders what the real motive for adding the RFID chips to the cards will be.

  3. Security? by Mateito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It amazes me every time I go to the states how no signature or pin is required to buy goods on a credit card. Self-service gas stations are good example. This is single-factor authentication. RFID or magnetic strip, doesn't make a difference.

    How long will it take the collectives minds of the criminal fraternity ... or for that matter the collective minds of Slashdot, to design a reader that can be used to copy RFID takes from people in crowded lifts and trains?

  4. I have a bad feeling about this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    MasterCard RFID Credit Card: free

    Checking out at the grocery store without signing your name or entering a pesky PIN number: effortless

    Having your account drained by a 12 year old who bought a high-gain RF antenna off eBay: priceless

    1. Re:I have a bad feeling about this... by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 5, Interesting

      12-year-old busted after realizing that ISO/IEC 14443 uses two-factor authentication: Classic.

      The RF component of these cards is considerably more secure than even the magstripe component.

  5. Theft! by Palal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not only will thieves be able to capture your CC#, they will be able to do it without you knowing it! Think of the possibilities! Subways, buses, crowded trains, elevators, escalators, and other public places! I guess that gives me another reason to not leave home and to spend all day reading slashdot about how others have had their identity stolen.

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  6. Conflicting RFIDs by Cytos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is not going to work well for anyone that has multiple RFIDs in their pockets. The current scanners are unable to dicipher between different cards. I already have two cards that use RFID technology and am forced to either pull one out when I want to scan in or awkwardly adjust my wallet so that only one is read. Either way it just defeats the intuitiveness of it if I spend more time trying to get the thing to work instead of just scanning the card I had to pull out anyways.

  7. Re:Range? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    These new 4th generation RFIDS (or 4GRFIDs as known in the industry) broadcast at a strength 64.2W (1.9 amps/hz) Though it not might seem like much, the signal is detectable by a dime sized reader at over 3000 yards and does not require line of sight. This reader can be easily assembled by about $13 dollars worth of parts (diodes,wires,etc) from RadioShack. There are instructions on the internet that are so simple, a child capable of drawing crude stick figures of his mommy and daddy with crayons could assemble one, link it to an offshore bank account and be draining bank accounts in less than thirty minutes.

  8. Not the same "RFID" by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 5, Informative

    The MasterCard system, like all of its type, uses the ISO/IEC 14443 contactless smartcard standard.

    ISO 14443, unlike most RFID standards, is a cryptographically strong system that renders easedropping useless.

  9. Re:Range? by tooth · · Score: 5, Informative

    When you bring the card near the reader it induces a current in the card to power it (Passive RFID). This is why you need to put it close to the reader. Once this happens you can snoop the signal from the card from nearby.

  10. PayPass vs. Octopus by fuzheado · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Here in Hong Kong, we've had one of the earliest and most successful RFID "touch card" payment systems in Octopus Card, but here's why I'm wary of PayPass:
    • It's a credit card, which means the limit is theoretically your credit limit of thousands of dollars. (Yes, I know they say it's for transactions under US $25, but do I trust their software?) The Octopus system is anonymous and stored value. You can only lose as much cash is in the card, which is typically less than US $15.

    • It doesn't display much information about the transaction. Octopus displays how much has been deducted, and how much is left on the card. For PayPass: "When you present your PayPass card to the terminal, you will see a series of lights on the terminal. When all the lights have lit, you will know that your card has been properly read. If you want a receipt, simply ask the clerk to give you one--it is available, should you request it."
    #include coolsig.h
  11. What's the incentive to change for each party? by 200_success · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's face it: traditional credit cards suck because they are hampered by concern for backward compatibility with 1970s technology. If one were designing a credit card system today, it wouldn't be based on an embossed number and magnetic stripe. The number is there for remote transactions (using the expiration date and possibly the 3-digit CVV as a plaintext "password"!). With today's technology, remote transactions should be handled using a challenge-response system or one-time-use numbers such that the retailer can authenticate the cardmember without gaining enough information to impersonate the cardmember. The number on the card is embossed for use with the carbon-copy rolling machine. When was the last time a retailer carbon-copied your card, asked for photographic ID, and looked through a blacklist of stolen card numbers? And the magnetic stripe would certainly be replaced by a smart chip, which is much harder to clone because it can do challenge-response.

    The infrastructure of the credit card network has improved, slowly. Nearly all point-of-sale equipment now performs real-time authorization. In Europe, the magnetic stripe is being obsoleted by contact smart chips. However, the benefit of the new technology must be significant enough to justify upgrading the huge worldwide network of equipment. So what's in it for each party to adopt RFID for credit cards?

    • Retailer: The store wants to minimize the likelihood of chargebacks while being quick and friendly to the customer. In addition, the card reader needs to be cheap, since they have to buy or lease the equipment. They have all adopted real-time authorization because it eliminated a lot of fraud. In countries where magnetic stripe cloning is prevalent, they have already acquired contact smart chip readers. The only ones who would be interested in RFID might be the industries clustered around the American car culture, where every second counts: tollbooths, fast food/coffee places, gas stations.
    • Issuing banks: The bank wants secure cards that can be issued cheaply. Although most of the risk of fraud is borne by the retailers, the banks do assume some liability, not to mention the expense of running the call center and the fraud check departments. Although the RFID signals might be intercepted and cracked, I think that thieves will prefer to steal credit card numbers by other means (the same security holes that are there today will continue to exist for backward compatibility). The RFID chip is relatively cheap, so they might go for the new tech. Or Mastercard could force them to embed RFID in the cards.
    • Cardmember: The typical cardmember mainly cares about convenience, with security as a secondary concern. Being able to wave your entire purse or hump your butt against the contactless card reader is marginally more convenient, assuming that the signal can overcome shielding and interference problems. If RFID cards become common, you'll have to specify which of the several cards you are carrying you want to charge, or there it's possible that it will read a card other than the one you intended to charge. So I don't think you would really be saving any time. However, cardmembers are not really in any position to promote or protest technological decisions -- you just get to use whatever card comes in the mail.

    In short, credit card technology advances slowly, with the retailer network being the bottleneck. Can they be convinced to upgrade? In my opinion, I think not.

    I also think that RFID offers practically no advantage over contact smart chips, and that it would be pointless to add yet another standard. Wireless will never be quite as secure as contact. The network needs an overhaul, but this is not it! The credit card companies should be pushing to remove the card number and magnetic stripe in favor of the smart chip, instead of adding RFID.

  12. Kneejerking? by Malor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From what I can see, these don't appear to be RFID cards. They seem to be using an encrypted signal with a handshake. An simple eavesdropper shouldn't be able to do anything with the data he snoops, because all he's going to be able to see is the key exchange and then the encrypted bitstream.

    It's just using the air to transmit encrypted information instead of a wire. As long as the encryption is good, the simple fact that it's broadcast instead of being on a wire shouldn't matter.

    Ok, that said, I could see one potential attack vector, in that a bad guy could theoretically initiate a key exchange and swipe some cash from you. If all it takes is being nearby with an inductive field to power the card, then a fraudulent charge would be pretty easy to make. The virtual equivalent of pickpocketing. If you did it in small amounts per card, you could walk through a crowd with your portable gear and make hundreds of dollars an hour.

    One idea to work around that would be requiring the user to hold the card in two specific places, on opposite sides. Thumb on one side, finger on the other, touching big gold contact points. If the card can detect the proper grip (very trivial technology), then it is active; otherwise, it refuses transactions. That should prevent 'pickpocketing'.

    Basically, there needs to be a way for the user to announce 'yes, this is an authorized charge' other than simple proximity. The Kung-Fu Grip is one possibility... there must be others. Heck, the cards may already DO this. The actual technical data seems exceedingly scarce.

    Snooping, at least, doesn't appear to be a potential problem.