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EC Reviews New Complaints Against Microsoft

Rob tells us that while Microsoft may still be fighting against existing antitrust sanctions the European Commission is already reviewing new complaints made against the software giant. From the article: "European Commission spokesperson, Jonathan Todd, confirmed that the competition commission is considering the complaints but said that no decision has been taken on a course of action, adding that the commission does not have to wait for formal complaints to take action against a company it suspects of anti-competitive behavior."

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  1. Rather Lacking in Details by corngrower · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After reading through the article, I didn't find much in the way of information. What specifically was the problem here? Microsoft still bundling? What are they being accused of bundling this time?

  2. Re:Well, kudos to the EC by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree. And I think that people who find fault with this often don't understand how antitrust law works in the real world. IANAL, of course.

    I cannot think of any companies who have been broken up against their will as a result of antitrust procedings. Instead agreements are made regarding behavior going forward and additional, often oppresive scrutiny is applied as a way of slowly righting the wrong. The inability that AT&T had to capitalize on new markets eventually lead to their (largely) voluntary breakup. And similarly with IBM, the scrutiny cost them their hold on the market. I think that Microsoft is going to go down like IBM rather than like AT&T.

    Do there really is not much to see here. This is just a routine continuation of the antitrust complaint, IMO.

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  3. Re:Helping competitors by deaddrunk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In a truly competitive market that would be the case. The desktop and office suite markets are very far from that though. Intel have survived having to share their IP with AMD, why can't Microsoft do the same with their competitors instead of erecting artificial barriers in order to soak their customers and prevent any effective competition from emerging.

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  4. Re:bah...do what The Shrub did... by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ..just slap them on the hand and force them to seed 2 billion dollars into a market they don't dominate...that'll teach em!

    I know you are trolling but this is so often repeated that it deserves an answer.

    IANAL, but I have followed a number of antitrust cases. Courts are very hesitant to forceably break up a company and rightly so. In general, the emphasis is on long-term corrections rather than creating instability as a result of such a breakup.

    Such a strategy takes time to have an effect, but it is often, I think, more effective than merely breaking up companies. The stifling restrictions that AT&T lived under for decades eventually lead to their divestiture (this was largely voluntary), and the restrictions that IBM lived under cost them their market power. But it doesn't happen immediately.

    The slap on the wrist along with a court finding is actually one of the worst things you can do in an antitrust suit to a company. The reason is something called "collateral estoppel" which basically holds that absent a change in fact, facts which were necessarily decided as part of one case cannot be relitigated in another. So leaving the company intact while finding them to be guilty of Sherman Act violations lowers the bar to everyone else. Ralph Nader point out that it would take an army or lawyers to enforce such action against Microsoft, but he fails to note that in this case, Microsoft is now facing hundreds of antitrust suits, each of which is now far more dangerous simply because of the portions of the finding of fact that were not overturned by the appeals court. So Microsoft is heavily stifled by this judgement. Had they been broken up, they could rightly argue that facts had changed, but now they are in big trouble.

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  5. Re:nothing new to see here... move along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, I suspect so. Microsoft apologists run with this immediately: "Microsoft shouldn't be forced to publish their source code". Which of course is correct. They shouldn't. However, it's a strawman argument. Nobody has demanded that that they should be forced to do so. What actually has been demanded is that they publish specs.

  6. Re:Helping competitors by corngrower · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Two words: Sony Betamax
    Back when VCR's (video cassette recorders) were just out, there were two competing formats. One of these was Betamax. Technically, it was superior. However Sony wanted large license fees from those companies that wanted to produce products that used this format. The competing technology, VHS, had licensing terms that were considerably more reasonable for those interested in producing VCRs.

    So while dozens of companies bought licenses to produce VCRs using the VHS format, only three or four companies made VCRs that used the Betamax tape. Naturally VHS came to dominate the market.

    So here we have, in essence, an example of a superior product(Betamax) that was not successful. This happens all the time. It's the best marketed product that wins, not necessarily the product that uses the best technology.

  7. Re:I've said it once... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Let me know when this happening because I'll happily *QUEUE* outside the gates of Heathrow Airport to volunteer to help Microsoft load their colourful shrinkwrapped boxes onto the next cargo plane back to Redmond...

    Please don't fool yourself - the combined countries of the EU are a much bigger economic power than the US and it's bad laws by foolish Eurocrats that are the only things stopping that unity working as well as it should. Even so, any US company that ignores the EU does so at its own peril.

    Sorry, but if you want to trade in a country or region then you play by its rules, end of story.

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  8. For people not in the EU.. by guruevi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Europe Microsoft has different contracts with businesses preventing them from using other software.
    For instance: to become some kind a MS-partner you have to have at least 30% of your staff and 50% of your sales people have some kind of MS Certification. The total share of your servers/clients that has to be Windows 70%. Next to that, if a MCS... can convince management to replace a Linux server by a Windows server they can get a bonus from MS up to 1000 Euro/server.

    IF you can or will not comply your company will have to pay all licenses in full until 2 years back

    To the people that don't believe me: I worked in such a company with such a contract. I told one of the customers that Microsoft wasn't his best choice for the technical needs he had (big customer, lots of servers) and I almost got fired because some big shot from Microsoft got to hear about it and demanded my release or they would revoke the license advantages. If you complain to the authorities same Bad Things(tm) will happen

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    1. Re:For people not in the EU.. by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I worked in such a company with such a contract. I told one of the customers that Microsoft wasn't his best choice for the technical needs he had (big customer, lots of servers) and I almost got fired because some big shot from Microsoft got to hear about it and demanded my release or they would revoke the license advantages.

      I wouldn't wait to be fired - I'd just hand in my resignation and walk out, end of story.

      Sorry, but my attitude to employers is that they pay me a salary because employing me generates 2x, 3x, 4x, etc into their coffers - so it's their loss, not mine.

      I'm no socialist & the employee unions in the UK got too powerful and needed to be taken down a few steps. But now the right-wing Conservatives have completely trashed the unions, all the employer bullies can now crawl out of the woodwork & all of us are now just tiny cogs in big machines so it's gone completely the other way.

      Personally, I believe anyone with any IT skills should just go out and work for themselves now - there are plenty of "pickings" for anyone with wide enough skills because so many customers of big corporations are hacked off with the lower quality service their getting due to outsourcing, etc. they're just waiting to pay for more personal and better service from self-employed consultants and small businesses.

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  9. US to hammer dissidents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    "If Microsoft could again make a super-proprietary format that only they could read, and not having regulation in one form or another stopping them, it would probably make sense, economically."

    Thus the drive by MS to push DRM'd proprietary formats with illegal tying to other proprietary tools, all protected by the DMCA/EUCD, EEA and sw patents. Then the US will enforce MS' will.