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E-nose Sniffs Out Nasty Resistant Bacteria

geekroot's dad writes "There have been several tries for an Electronic nose that seek out various airborne elements - they can find cancer, monitor recycled air for NASA and find nasty bacteria better than lab tests. Now as methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MSRA) becomes a problem not only in hospitals but in everyday life some British scientist have built a super nose to find the 'little buggers'."

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  1. HR like it by timeToy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine the applications in everyday cubicle's life: A smell map of the office to answer the eternal question: The more you smell, the better you code ?

  2. Too bad they can't sniff English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    they can finding cancer

    Good for they's finds.

  3. Privacy Rights? by putko · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sort of thing lends itself to non-intrusive search and what civil libertarians call "violation of privacy."

    A similar technique is looking at heat, and using it to identify folks growing things in their houses: fly over with a helicopter looking at heat signatures -- the growers' houses light up. The court had to decide if this was an illegal search or not.

    Already there have been cases where cops had drug dogs sniff folks on a bus and identify smugglers. The court had to decide if the cop searched people (illegally) just by walking by them with a dog, or if the cop was innocently walking by folks, and when his dog aletered, the cop became the probable cause to search further.

    Electronic noses, with their reduced cost and targeted nature, will lead to many similar cases. A cop's e-nose might alert. He'd followup with a search, find contraband and so on. The question is, was it OK for him to have an e-nose sniffing in the first place? Or did he need a search warrant to use the e-nose?

    One can imagine an e-nose built to sniff explosives, but that also sniffs out everything else. In that case, the cops have a legit purpose to search (national security), but the effect is that they'll be busting folks for all sorts of other violations.

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    1. Re:Privacy Rights? by Fishead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think it would be considered a privacy concern at all.

      Thermal cameras detecting heat in a house are not violating privacy at all. They do not "look through" walls like Hollywood would like you to believe, but rather just detect a different wavelength of light radiating from the outside of your house. It is no different then looking at a house without the thermal camera, you are just looking at a different wavelength of light. Heck, one thing thermal camera's can NOT see through is a window.

      The electronic nose is detecting something that is radiating off your person. If you are giving off a smell, detecting it shouldn't be a privacy concern.

      But then again, I think that for the most part, surveilance in public places is not a bad think.

    2. Re:Privacy Rights? by thrashbluegrass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Note: idiot prognostication to follow. Heap shame and scorn upon poster.

      You raise a very valid point. Hypothetical:

      Let's assume that the technology gets to be so good that it's accurate enough that it becomes a standard tool. You have cops out, and they run their instrument all the time, trying to alert for explosives. At the same time, however (before the courts get involved), they run it looking for _everything_ that they can, and someone gets busted with some drugs on them. The specifics aren't important, other than the probable cause was based solely upon the nose picking it up.

      This then gets to trial, and the defense argues that it was a violation of the accused's 4th amendment rights. This would most likely, within a year or two of police forces using these tools, come before the Supreme Court. Given my limited legal understanding, this would probably result in both the release of the convicted and the wholesale banning of "wide-spectrum" sniffers running all the time as a policing tool.

      Of course, SCOTUS has bowled me over with some pretty ass-backwards rulings over the past few years, so I wouldn't be totally surprised either way; anyone with legal expertise/experience/strong opinions should feel encouraged to put me in my place.

    3. Re:Privacy Rights? by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Difference is that these devices typically need to be close to the subject, aren't that fast, and often require a fair amount of sample. As a result, it's hard to apply these to people without their consent or knowledge.

    4. Re:Privacy Rights? by hubie · · Score: 2, Informative
      The Supreme Court (5 to 4) thought otherwise.

      Here is a quote from Scalia writing for the majority:

      "We think that obtaining by sense-enhancing technology any information regarding the interior of the home that could not otherwise have been obtained without physical `intrusion into a constitutionally protected area,'...constitutes a search at least where (as here) the technology in question is not in general public use. This assures preservation of that degree of privacy against government that existed when the Fourth Amendment was adopted. On the basis of this criterion, the information obtained by the thermal imager in this case was the product of a search."
    5. Re:Privacy Rights? by hubie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wouldn't say the cops had a lousy lawyer considering it went up to the Supreme Court. The analyses of that ruling are interesting (including the link I provided). The bit that Scalia argues in the post points out the importance of the government having access to techniques and instrumentation that is not available to the general populace. All the examples you bring up are using techniques and instrumentation that is widely available, so I don't think that the majority opinion would have had an issue with those. For what it is worth, the minority opinion mentions some of the things that you mention, particularly how the thermal imager does not provide a detailed image of what is behind the wall.

  4. Re:Stuffy Nose? by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny
    But what happens when this super nose catches a cold and gets all stuffed up? We'll have to have super-tissues!
    Bionic Boogers.
  5. Hack it by MonGuSE · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe someone would be kind enough to create a hack to allow it to sniff out the BS from our politicians. Only down side is that people would think it was malfunctioning since it would go off every time any of them utter a word.

  6. Smelloscope by Fishead · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yup. Working a new invention, a Smelloscope.

    Gonna win Inventor Of The Year with it.

  7. In other news... by game+kid · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...famous cereal toucan gets new job extolling the wonders of following electronic noses, and rumors surface that the chair of Kellogg's has thrown a bowl in angry response to said toucan's career move.

    Thank you for watching; we'll see you Monday.

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  8. Re:Just call the Jewish Council by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    the only thing coming out of my nose is Cola when i read your comment

  9. Finally... by Jack+Earl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally it can be proven that girls do indeed fart.

  10. De-odorized bacteria by deathcloset · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do you think bacteria could evolve to disguise or alter their "smell" to avoid extermination?

    I read recently that there are bacteria that have evolved to consume nylon. We know they evolved recently because nylon is manufactured and does not appear in nature.

    It's apparently a pretty crappy food though. I'm not suprised.

    I wonder if that would mean you could engineer deodorant bacteria to selectively mask the detectability of certain other chemicals?

    1. Re:De-odorized bacteria by waferhead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nylon is just synthetic silk.

      Just because it is "manufactured" doesn't mean nature doesn't know whats edible.
      (you can tell if something starts falling apart, SOMETHING likes it...)

      Hell, they're bugs/fungii that live in jet fuel...
      I'm sure they didn't just evolve all of a sudden, they just happened across something tasty... ...To them at least.

  11. NoseMap® Code Skill Legend by game+kid · · Score: 2, Funny
    pungency skill level* 20 our Java guys, the lobby 40 C++ coders, level 3 60 C hackers 10 flights up 80 Assembler masters in floor 20 100 Those machine code wizards at the penthouse-suite roof -2147483647 That LOGO n00b we just hired yesterday - we gave him a special basement room 'cause he stunk up the whole damn café

    *not guaranteed, results may wildly vary

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  12. Discrimintation vs Detection by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From Article: However, it cannot yet distinguish MRSA from its close cousin MSSA (methicillin-sensitive Staph aureus), which does respond to convetional antibiotics unlike MRSA.

    As is often the case, e-nose researchers tend to focus more on detection than discrimination. If this thing generates too many false alarms, it'll be useless.

  13. You'd use this device when? by Sugar+Moose · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Staph bacteria is something that's very common on the outside of people. The article itself places the number at 30%, and that number is much higher for kids who handle unsanitary things all the time don't wash their hands as often as they should. It's not an epidemic because it has to enter your blood through an open wound. Most adults simply don't cut themselves very often (with the exception of shaving, but that's sanitized anyhow), so the majority of staph infections are in kids.

    The problem with this device is when would you use it? Either you're waiting for mom to bring in the kid after you already think she has a staff infection, or you're sniffing everyone at random. If mom thinks it's a staff infection, the kid probably does have staph bacteria on him, but that doesn't get you any closer to knowing if that's the infection. If you're sniffing everyone at random, you're really only picking out the people that don't wash their hands enough and making them pay for it with extra (almost certainly unnecessary) testing.

    In either case, who's celebrating this as some kind of new breakthrough that's going to revolutionize the health care industry? This really makes me wonder if this device is more for revenue than for health screening. "Hey, it looks like you tested positive for a possible staff infection. I'm sure your insurance will cover some extra tests."

  14. Wake me up when they get to the E-Vagina. by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seriously.

    Zzz Zzz Zzz...

  15. Bug sniffers by Cutterman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Years ago one of my med school teachers taught us to sniff wounds for infection. He said that with a bit of practice you could quickly learn to discriminate infections and it's true.

    Even now I often sniff dressings for infection and I'm right most of the time. The odour of different infections are quite characteristic and you can easily tell if it's light or heavy.

    Gets some funny looks at times, but I can usually beat the labs by 24 hours. My students think I'm a bit odd, but I notice that now they too take a surreptitious sniff and then pronouce wisely!

    Long live the Mark I nose.....

  16. What causes anti-biotic resistance by Veteran · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The current theories on the cause of antibiotic resistant bacteria place the blame on antibiotics and their overuse or under use. These theories utterly fail to explain one simple fact: most people don't come into the hospital with cases of drug resistant bacteria, they acquire those infections while in the hospitals. Some where in the hospital there are conditions which are breeding drug resistant bacteria.

    I believe that the real cause of antibiotic resistant bacteria is far more prosaic than anyone has suspected. Before Doctors and Nurses give people injections they are quite properly taught to point the needle up, tap the syringe to force air bubbles to the top of the syringe, then squirt enough of the fluid out of the syringe to insure that the air is cleared from the device and the needle. This is utterly necessary to prevent the injection of air into the patient's blood system where it could cause a fatal embolism.

    The antibiotic squirted out of the needle simply falls to the floor and creates a splatter. This splatter kills bacteria on the floor where it is intense enough to do so, but around the edges of the splatter surviving bacteria can breed resistant strains to every type of injectable antibiotic being used in the hospital.

    When antibiotic splatter is combined with the modern janitorial practice of a one step floor cleaner, the floor becomes a giant Petri dish for the breeding of drug resistant bacteria. One step floor 'cleaners' can't possibly clean floors; they make the floor look clean and shiny, but since many of them are made of glycerin compounds they simply serve as a growth medium for the Petri dish.

    So how do you solve the problem of antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria? You do two things: first, keep splatters of antibiotics off of the floor by performing the air clearing of the syringes while the needle is still in the bottle of antibiotics - immediately after filling the syringe- and by using a spillage overflow catcher pan under the syringe while it is being filled. Second, sterilize the hospital floors with bleach and intense ultra violet light sources mounted on the undersides of push broom like devices.

    These two simple things will prevent the Petri dish conditions on floors which breed drug resistant bacteria. Both of these steps have very low costs while having very large benefits. They are similar in importance to the now standard practice of surgeons washing their hands before surgery, which was adapted in the 19th century, and which has saved countless lives since.

    The economic justification for all of these things is obvious, reducing drug resistant bacteria cases will save insurance companies far more money than the slightly greater costs of better floor cleaning and splatter prevention protocols would cost them.