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NASA Admin Says Shuttle and ISS are Mistakes

Teancum writes "NASA Administrator Michael Griffin was recently interviewed by the USA Today Editorial Board regarding the current direction of the U.S. Space Program, and in the interview he suggested that the past three decades have been a huge mistake and a waste of resources. As a total cost for both programs that has exceeded $250 Billion, you have to wonder what other useful things could have been developed using the same resources. Griffin quoted in the interview regarding if the shuttle had been a mistake "My opinion is that it was... It was a design which was extremely aggressive and just barely possible." Regarding the ISS: "Had the decision been mine, we would not have built the space station we're building in the orbit we're building it in.""

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  1. Waste of Resources? by sdaemon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, that $250 billion could buy us another year in Iraq!

    But seriously, the ISS is not a waste of money. When you think of all the research done there, the international goodwill spread there, it is well worth the cost. I do wish the degree of internationality was a bit larger. Simply having Americans and Russians isn't very diverse -- it would be nice to see China/India/other aspiring space powers to join in the fun (and help with the bills).

    1. Re:Waste of Resources? by oni · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If you can name any hard hitting science that has been done at the ISS (aside from humans-in-space-duration sort of research), I'd be interested to hear it.

      Here's what the current crew is working on:
      http://www.scipoc.msfc.nasa.gov/

      • advanced diagnostic ultrasound
      • biopsy of human skeletal muscle after prolonged spaceflight
      • chromosomal aberrations in blood lymphocytes
      • dust aerosol measurement
      • spaceflight induced reactivation of Epstein-barr virus


      if you ever need to get an ultrasound, I doubt that the doctor is going to take the time to tell you that the equipment was developed or improved on the space station. The benefits of the research they do up there make it into our lives, but it happens decades later and we never really notice. Oh well.

      I'm an astronomer, and I haven't heard of a single thing useful having been produced by the ISS.

      Be careful buddy. If the standard of good science is that it has to be "useful" then I think you'll find that a lot of the funding for those fancy telescopes you love so much will quickly dry up. I haven't heard of a single useful thing that any astronomer has done in my lifetime.

      We should fund science - not because of a selfish "what do I get out of it" mentality. We should fund it because it is the search for truth, and that's *always* important.

      Think of all the poor, hungry homo habilis' that could have been fed if Ogor hadn't wasted so much time rubbing sticks together in his useless "fire" research. He should have been out gathering rotten banannas with the rest of the tribe. Right? Right? Can I get an a-men here?
  2. $250 billion. by CyricZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if he is aware of the recent wars that the US has gotten involved with. Talk about real wastes of money. At least the Shuttle program, and the ISS to a lesser extent, have furthered our knowledge of science and engineering, rather than just our ability to mindlessly destroy.

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    1. Re:$250 billion. by CmdrGravy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fighting wars in Iraq does not improve your security from things like truck bombs, hijacked planes etc on tiny bit.

  3. His point? by kawika · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I RTFA and can see what he's saying that the shuttle and ISS were basically mistakes, and I agree. However, I'm not so clear about his proposed alternatives. Is he shilling for Bush's "Man to Mars" mission and saying that should have been our goal since the 1970s? That would certainly be a wise career move (at least for the moment) but what purpose would it serve to send a man to Mars? We can't even get some of our unmanned probes to the Martian surface successfully. Maybe we could try to get a probe there and back to Earch first.

  4. Re:Imagine if... by Chaotic+Spyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember spaceship one used knowledge and tech that NASA developed/figured out.
    They were first to do it privately, not first ever.

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  5. I tend to agree by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's fairly well known that the space shuttle was a compromise between NASA and the military. In order to get the budget, they agreed to design requirements that involved weird payloads and the ability to launch them into polar orbit. That in turn drove the design to be what it is today.

    In terms of the space station, it seemed to quickly turn into an exercise to divide up the money according to country and state. I'm not even sure what science goes on up there any more. These days the reduced crew seems to spend their time repairing the place. Crazy.

  6. Re:Imagine if... by dAzED1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they wouldn't have accomplished jack, if NASA hadn't come up with the tremendous knowledge base that current teams get to draw from.

    NASA could put a tiny ship with barely any payload into low orbit decades ago. Not really all that comparible.

    Your post was rated insightful? More like overly-rehashed nonsense.

  7. Re:Imagine if... by SlothB77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Absolutely. Flood that money into the private market and let it take their chances with space exploration.

    I can't believe a NASA Administrator (read: advocate) would be so candid. But the point here is not that space exploration is bad, or science is bad or we are bad at science or we shouldn't invest in science. The point is Government is bad at science. Government is bad at running a multi-hundred billion science program. Government is inefficient. Government is bad at ensuring safety and reliabilty.

    What we need is less government involvement, whether it is domestic government or foreign governments. Yes, japan, china and india can help stem the costs - private japanese, indian and chinese firms. Not more mismanaging governments. Other space exploration will just be run by the same types that run the UN. Gross incompetence, malfeasance and inefficiency.