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SSH Claims Draw Open Source Ire

JDStone writes to tell us eWeek is reporting that claims of OpenSSH not being an 'enterprise-class product' by SSH Communications, the creators of SSH, is being met with a great deal of resistance. Theo de Raadt, of OpenBSD fame and a member of the OpenSSH development team was quoted saying "OpenSSH is built into all Unix and Linux vendor operating systems, and is also built into almost all larger managed network switches, from Cisco through Foundry. It comes on Linksys and D-Link wireless and security routers too."

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  1. Enterprise Product? by emandres · · Score: 4, Informative

    They claim that it's an enterprise product, another class of software than OpenSSH. They don't seem to have much of an argument for why it's so much different. The only comparison they manage to draw is that OpenSSH doesn't have very good SFTP, which they neglect to back by any comparison to their own. Straw man at best it seems. Anyway, what is so 'enterprise' about it that OpenSSH doesn't have? Seems to me that every 'enterprise' server running a *nix has it, so doesn't that make it enterprise enough?

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    1. Re:Enterprise Product? by abirdman · · Score: 5, Informative

      My experience is that the word "Enterprise" placed on any product means that the price gets multiplied by 10 or so. Sometimes they add some glitzy splash screen or GUI checkboxes so the "enterprise" admin can show off the shiny new software to the PHB's. But believe me, if it says "Product XYZ, Enterprise Edition" it means they figgered how to add another zero or two to the price of XYZ, without adding any other functionality.

      Of course, I haven't RTFA yet, so I could be completely wrong about this.

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  2. Re:clear screen by TMacPhail · · Score: 5, Informative
    I was actually just looking for the code that clears the screen when you log out of a session (because I actually hate the automatic clear screen, and was hoping there was an option for it). I finally gave up in disgust.
    Try looking in your .logout file. It isn't done by OpenSSH.
  3. Re:There *is* a license! by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Informative

    You cannot use it without a license.

    Of course you can.

    It's released under the BSD license

    That grants you permission to distribute copies. You already have the right to use it. Free Software licenses like the BSD-style licenses aren't EULAs, they only come into play when you want to distribute copies.

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  4. Re:No, it's no by winkydink · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, an $80k/yr person costs a company a lot more than $80k/yr. Benefits, vacation, holdays, insurance, cost of the space you occupy and utilities you use, etc...

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  5. a few facts by rsilverman · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a lot of exaggeration and vagueness on both sides of this little
    tempest. What suffices for one enterprise may not for another, so it is
    certainly silly for ssh.com to claim that OpenSSH is not
    "enterprise-class" -- as Theo and others rightly point out, OpenSSH is
    used successfully in many large contexts. On the other hand, it is a fact
    that Tectia has a number of features OpenSSH lacks, some of which are
    particularly relevant to large organizations (which is not the same as
    simple widespread use). Here are a few of them:

    * PKI support

    Tectia can use X.509 certificates for both client and server
    authentication. To add a new SSH server or change an existing one's host
    key, all you need do is issue a certificate for it. Clients need only
    have a copy of a single public key: the issuing CA certificate. No
    constantly shifting mess of per-user and per-host known-host files to try
    to keep in sync, no spurious "unknown host" or "host key changed messages"
    confusing users and teaching them to ignore security warnings. It just
    works.

    For client authentication, there are no burgeoning copies of
    authorized_keys files lying around, unmanaged, needing to be individually
    tracked down whenever you want to turn off someone's access: instead, you
    can simply revoke the user's certificate. And flexible rules can grant
    access based on certificate attributes, like "anyone in the Foo Department
    can log into this host."

    The distributed-trust problem has been addressed abstractly by systems
    like PKI and Kerberos. In a large (or even medium) scale environment, you
    want to tie applications such as SSH into these systems, not have each one
    use its own ad-hoc mechanism.

    Note that both OpenSSH and Tectia support Kerberos. There is some
    variation in how well they use it to address the above problems, though,
    and I won't get into that here.

    * Greater configuration flexibility

    With the Tectia SSH server you can:

    + Modify almost all server parameters based on the client hostname and
    address, or properties of the requested account (username and group
    membership). Thus you can arrange that, accounts in one group permit
    password authentication, while those in another group require
    public-key -- or that connections coming from your internal network
    allow a wide range of ciphers, while those coming from the outside
    require a smaller, stronger set. You can accomplish some of this type
    of thing with OpenSSH, but generally you have to run multiple
    instances of the server on different ports.

    + Exert finer-grained control over what kinds of SSH services you
    provide. You can forbid terminal access while still allowing sftp,
    for example, by simply rejecting the corresponding SSH protocol
    requests (shell and exec channels), rather than resorting to custom
    shells or other hacks that have unwanted side effects.

    + Control port forwarding with ACLs that include permit/deny statements
    and patterns matching user, target hostname, IP address, etc.

    + Require multiple forms of authentication for access (e.g. password and
    public-key).

    * SOCKS support for outgoing SSH connections (note this is different from
    the OpenSSH -D feature, which Tectia has also).

    * "chroot"-ed logins

    * integrated support for RADIUS authentication

    * Support for Windows-native Kerberos. Although OpenSSH can be built with
    Kerberos support on Windows (with Cygwin), it does not