Nobel Prize Awarded for Stomach Ulcer Discovery
gollum123 writes to tell us the BBC is reporting that the Nobel prize for medicine has been awarded to two Australian scientists for their work with ulcers. Their research has shown that the majority of ulcers are caused by bacteria and can be cured with a short-term course of drugs and antibiotics. From the article: "Dr Marshall proved that H. pylori caused gastic inflammation by deliberately infecting himself with the bacterium. The Nobel citation praises the doctors for their tenacity, and willingness to challenge prevailing dogmas."
This discovery was made in 1999 at Trinity College Dublin? http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:GzTA7YEzxLgJ: www.trinitybiotech.com/data/press/17_07_00.doc+pyl ori+trinity&hl=en&lr=lang_en
What's been done here that's any different?
I agree with you're point on intelligent design not understanding science, but reject your characterization of faith.
Faith is IMO actually an extension of intellect, not at odds with it. The problem is that many televangelists misrepresent faith as intentional ignorance. It will always be possible to have faith in a God outside the observable universe. By definition if it's not observable it's outside the realm of science.
It is very possible to believe in God and accept evolution, just ask John Paul II. God doesn't have to be constantly tinkering and tuning the universe to be God, he just has to be able to. Furthermore there is no reason to think that God's tinkerings would look any different to us than the normal processes of the Universe.
And so we have turned a discussion about causes of stomach ulcer into yet another war between strawmen, for I have found that most posts in fights between evolution and creationism not only misstate their opponents position but fail to understand the fundamental ideas of their own. Congratulations on getting your completely offtopic troll modded +5 Insightfull.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Yeah, that's known as the master watch smith theory (or some such similar name); the problem is that God has to be able to change things or he's not omnipotent. If he's not omnipotent then he couldn't have created the universe. So if he's able to change things then it's possible that God is interfering in the function of the universe. It is however plausible that God is interfering, but doing so in a way that is consistent with the laws of our universe, so that we can't tell the difference anyway.
IMO this is a better way of putting together faith and science.