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German Linux Migration White Paper Updated

TheRealDamion writes to let us know that the German Federal Government Co-Ordination and Advisory Agency (KBSt) has released an updated version of their Linux Migration guide whitepaper. This guide, originally released in 2003, is incredibly detailed offering assistance on a wide range of issues that could be faced in a migration from Windows to Linux.

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  1. Shhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't mention the browser wars. I did once, but I think I got away with it.

  2. Official migration guide by hernyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's quite an idea: releasing an official guide on why and how should companies switch to Linux. CEOs rather trust an government-released official guide rather than geek speech.

    1. Re:Official migration guide by leonmergen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      releasing an official guide on why and how should companies switch to Linux.

      I find it quite remarkable how the "if" is always missing from these statements... couldn't this guide also be used as an indication whether it's even profitable for companies to switch to Linux ?

      There are companies for which it's simply not financially advicable to switch to Linux, you know...

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    2. Re:Official migration guide by Skye16 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shhh! We know they exist, but we mustn't speak of them!

      The zealots are watching. Always watching.

    3. Re:Official migration guide by Trelane · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I find it quite remarkable how the "if" is always missing from these statements... couldn't this guide also be used as an indication whether it's even profitable for companies to switch to Linux ?

      And rightly so!

      Maybe if you read it, it'll give you insight into whether you should switch some/all of your computers to Linux. However, the question of if you should migrate some/any software to Linux (or any other OS) is terribly situation-dependent and being argued constantly by pundits, armchair pundits, zealots, and paid shills every day. Indeed, reading such an article might well give you more information on whether you should switch than all of the TCO/ROI/WTF else studies together!

      That is outside the scope of what these papers address. You're right that this doesn't (directly) address if one should or should not migrate to Linux. That's not what it's intended to address, as that question's already been settled for them.

      IMHO, there is already too much arguing (mostly in generalities that make you feel good but don't actually inform, some downright misleading) by the above list of suspects about if and not how, so I think this comes exactly right--a paper on How We're Migrating to Linux.

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  3. I for one by Uukrul · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our new german overl.... or may be not.

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  4. this is getting out of hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    Linux, Linux everywhere, and, if that's not bad enough, now everyone's a geek. The word geek has been packaged and sold into the mainstream and everyone want's a piece of it.

    The docu movies are soon to follow. Rumour has it that Micheal Moore's going to play RMS; and, RMS is going to direct. ESR plays a psychopath, mass murderer, coming out of the closet loaded down with firepower.

  5. Re:No mention of GNU by gowen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Furthermore, they discuss the Berne Convention on international copyright, without ever mentioning the bureaucrats who originally drafted it in 1886. Surely they deserver their props?

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  6. Re:No mention of GNU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ultimately, the casual users (i.e. people who have no idea what a compiler does) will call it "Linux". Nobody will ever say "GNU/Linux" that matters. Nobody cares what parts of the OS Linux actually compromises. Linux could be a text editor that happens to get included with a specific distro and people would still call the system "Linux". If they install Red Hat, they will call it Linux; if they install Debian, they will call it Linux; if they install Ubuntu, SuSE, Mandrake, Linspire, or anything else, they'll still call it Linux.

    This is the term that the public knows. Nothing else. Whining about it at this stage of the game is just pointless. If we'd called it GNU/Linux from the beginning, one of the names would have gotten dropped anyway (and it would have probably been GNU, since people tend to prefer "words" to largely meaningless acronyms).

    The average user neither knows, nor cares about whether their software is free. They want whatever ultimately yields the highest productivity to price trade off. They will never compile a progam, will never change the source, and couldn't care less about what language, paradigm, or commenting conventions are used to create it.

    Insisting on silly, minor points about naming conventions is going to do infinitely more to harm Linux, the FSF, GNU, and the computing world than somebody forgetting to give credit to GNU. Until the OS community stops and realizes that the people that they have to convince to switch platforms ARE the people who know nothing about computers, Microsoft (and other closed-source software companies) will prevail.

  7. Austrian Linux for download by MadMoses · · Score: 4, Informative

    Meanwhile, Vienna has made their own Linux version Wienux, which is based on Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 with kernel 2.6.11 and intended to be used in small and middle businesses and muncipalities, available for download.

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  8. Re:No mention of GNU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A "net loss"? How can you be serious?
    They offer a free document on how to migrate to Linux and that somehow is bad for OSS because they failed to mention some of your favorite acronyms? So according to you it's better to not inform citizens how to migrate but, as long as you call Linux "GNU/Linux"? Is that a "net gain"?

  9. Re:No mention of GNU by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Nobody cares what parts of the OS Linux actually compromises.

    So Linus has started to accept patches from Redmond?

    So Redmond has started to send patches to Linus?

    Note that if Redmond was sending worthwhile Linux patches, I'd expect the Linux community to very carefully check them, and making sure that there's an official statement from Redmond that those patches are indeed properly licensed to be inserted into Linux under the GPL (and maybe let a lawyer check possible other pitfalls), make sure that all this is perfectly well documented, and then, if all those checks show no possible harm, accept those patches.
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  10. OS wars by FishandChips · · Score: 2, Funny

    So I guess it's only a matter of time before some charmer like Orrin Hatch introduces a bill in Congress mandating the US government to publish a guide for those wishing to migrate from Linux to Windows.

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  11. European Greens Linux "Linux für alle" by bernfast · · Score: 2, Informative

    The european green party is also releasing a linux CD: Linux for all and www.gruene-opensource.net

  12. Re:No mention of GNU by slavemowgli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's not true. First of all, other parts of the system, such as X11, are of similar importance, yet noone (not RMS and his fanboys, that is) ever demand that the system be called "GNU/Linux/X" or so; similarly, most Solaris systems I've seen (for example) have the GNU tools installed, yet noone called it "GNU/Solaris". Also, the statement that you *need* the GNU tools is also wrong, as you can just as well replace them with something else, like busybox for example.

    Sure, that's not typically done. But while it's true that most people don't give the GNU project enough credit, the right answer is not to give the GNU project *more* credit than it deserves.

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  13. Spain has a lot of Official Distros by Uukrul · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's better to try to do the change like Germany is doing than to add another distro to the market. Spain has a lot of distros for every comunidad, but it lacks politic objectives.

    Spanish oficial distros (From spanish Wikipedia):
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  14. Re:No mention of GNU by grumbel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ### GNU is the operating system. It is the environment in which the Linux user lives.

    Sorry, but that is simply wrong. The environment in which Linux users live in these days is KDE, Gnome or Fluxbox or whatever, there might be a few 'command-line hippies' left that use a 'true' GNU environment, but for the majority the GNU stuff simply is a non-issue, an implementation detail hidden somewhere deep down below which you could switch to BSD Userland and hardly anybody would ever notice it. Even GCC is no longer maintained by GNU people and the C++ parts of it didn't origin from GNU either as far as I know. So calling the OS which people use GNU is equally wrong to calling it 'Linux', to make it correct you might wanna call it Linux/GNU/Xorg/KDE/Samba/Apache or simply call it by the name of the distribution as the paper suggested.

  15. Chinese translation of the 1st edition available by zero0w · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Chinese translation of the 1st edition of Migration Guide can be found here:

    http://www.fect.com.tw/Docs/Migration.pdf

    The translation effort is sponsored by the FSOSS dEveloper Center @ Taiwan, aka FECT.

  16. More Migration Tools and Whitepapers by wehe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here are some more tools and whitepapers for migrations to the Linux operating system, for example about Solaris to Linux migration, filename conversion and more.

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  18. Re:No mention of GNU by Vanders · · Score: 2, Informative

    A GNU userland already does boot on two BSD kernels and one GNU kernel

    And one non-GNU, non-BSD kernel.

  19. Re:No mention of GNU by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or, to sum it up, handle it as any other patch.

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  20. Political developments since 1st edition by FlorianMueller · · Score: 3, Informative
    The first edition of the Migration Guide took a strong pro-OSS position. The basic message, supported by endless columns of numbers, was that a full OSS migration would yield the greatest cost-savings to public administrations, but a partial OSS migration would yet be far better than none at all. Subsequently, that government department came under major lobbying pressure from the usual suspects.

    German politics is in a period of major uncertainty now after elections in September had an outcome that gives neither of the two camps (Conservatives plus Liberals or Social Democrats plus Greens) a majority. The good news from an OSS perspective is that at least one of the two parties in the current coalition government (Social Democrats and/or Greens) will be part of the next government, and those parties are quite committed to open source even though the Social Democrats supported software patents in the EU Council (and some of them were relatively swpat-friendly in the European Parliament). There are a few German conservative politicians who also have a favorable perspective on OSS, but most of them don't care and some are downright negative about it. The liberals are ideologically pro-OSS, but of all German parties they're most susceptible to the influence of big-industry lobbying.

  21. Re:Creator: by rnbc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, I already noticed this...

    Considering the migration document is itself made in Windows, with Microsoft Word, I see nothing real happening in the next few years.

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  22. Not for company CEOs by 12dec0de · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A number of comments that came before mine mention company CEOs that are supposed to be swayed by this document. No such thing!

    This paper is a goodsend (yes I knew about the earlier edition. Got one in hardcopy on my desk) for a lowly public sector employee like me.

    Why? because evertime I want to install any OSS somebody in the commity that decides on these things will whip out a ProprietoryGlossyPamphlet(tm) and ask me 'what about...' (license, support, copyright, patents, etc.) and will not believe any word I say. So I whip out my "Leitfaden für die Migration von Basissoftwarekomponenten auf Server- und Arbeitsplatzsystemen" and tell them what a federal agency had to say on that matter and they usually shut up.

    The answers on legal subjects are aimed at the public service sector. While probably true for a private company, it is not the target audience.