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Army Eyes Anti-Sniper Robot
Hiawatha writes "iRobot has teamed up with Boston University to create a robot that can spot enemy snipers on a battlefield. Before the smoke of the shot clears away, the REDOWL robot should have the shooter in its sights." iRobot is the same company that brought you the popular Roomba robotic vacuum.
I work for a company called Trex Enterprises, and we built one of these a long time ago. Go check it out on our website... http://www.trexenterprises.com/laserrad.html
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If this is the case, this RedOwl can easily be fooled where there are multiple gunshots, especially in a battle field.
That was probably for demonstration purposes. TFA also mentioned that the system could discern between different types of weapons/ammunition being fired.
By the time a man reacts, the sniper could have fled, or worse, fired another shot at him.
Of course. That doesn't mean it's not useful to know where fire comes from. Even if a sniper (or whatever) would take out a whole exposed unit, there still would be "someone" (something...) left who could report exactly where the shots came from. Your response from eg. mortar artillery doesn't take many seconds to reach the general area. You would also become familiar with dangerous areas with popular sniper hideouts.
BTW, in the artillery we use both radar and sound detection to track enemy fire and firing positions. This is the same thing, but for smaller calibres.
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It is just a computer with some cameras and microphones. The article indicates that it was mounted on iRobot's existing "PackBot" robot. It is an add-on to an existing battlefield system, not a dedicated robot. Besides, this gives the detector a stable platform to work from, and means nobody has to schlep the thing around.
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...in order to kill Juba, the elusive sniper that has sapped morale in Baghdad.
I read that too and thought it was odd that none of the weapons mentioned, ak-47, m-16, pistols, are weapons that snipers use. An M-16 has an effective range of 300-400 meters or so. Snipers are capable of sitting 1000 meters out and hitting their target. The sound of a weapon discharge at that distance is very faint. Also, this is picking nits... but... Snipers use smokeless powder. They work very hard at not being seen.
Your post has some incorrect facts
1) An M-16 has an effective range of 550 meters, and its not hard, every year I have to qualify with my rifle and we fire at the 500 yard range in the prone, at a normal human target I hit 7 out of 10 shots with ease, and I'm far from being a skilled shooter.
2) Most snipers in the Middle East use an ak-47s with a scope
3) Snipers are capable of shooting up to 1500 meters away; the record for the longest kill is held by Carlos Hathcock from 2250 meters away (granted he was one of the best snipers around)
Except, of course, for the issue that sound travels much slower than light.
The beltway sniper attacks were done at ~50-100 yards from the targets. At 100 yards, it takes sound 0.29 seconds to travel the distance, while light is nearly instant.
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About two years ago I saw a show that was showing off a new anti sniper tech. It was a very high speed digital camera attached to a computer. It actually looked for bullets, flying through the air. When it found one, it would trace the trajectory, usually seeing the bullet 3-6 times in all, and plot a reverse course which in theory should cross through the point of origin. (the gun)
There was no weaponry attached, it was merely a computer screen to show the bullets as captured, overlaid on the live view, along with drawing a line showing reverse trajectory. The men in the field still had to interperet it and spot the sniper and deal with him.
I assume this is the next step of evolution of the system I saw back then. Should have been sufficiently technologically challenging, though I suppose if you could get a more 3-d idea of where the bulllets were, (which would be possible with two cameras I suppose) then use laser rangefinding to calculate distance as you sweep across the reverse trajectory, you should be able to calculate how far away the bullet is from you at any given point in the sweep, and when that number intersects with the laser range finder's distance reading, unless you have crossed an obstacle, there's your target. Actually I suppose it would need an exact match, because if the LRF was showing several feet shorter distance, then you're probably passing an obstacle that's between you and the course of the bullet. It's probably using some variation on that simple idea.
So we don't quite have a defense drone a la Aliens, but it's not a bad idea for somewhere that you are expecting trouble.
Problem with snipers is, if they are halfway decent, after the first shot they've already won and it's not going to help much to shoot back.
REALLY cool would be a gun that shoots lead slugs (like safety slugs, lightly jacketed powered lead) and could take bullets out of the air, Patriot Missile style. That's probably more than a few years out though.
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Negative. Snipers do NOT fire from the same location. Now, a sharpshooter might if they're in a fortified location (like in an urban setting) but a sniper out in the wild gets their behind out of the area once they've taken their shot.
Take a gander at the book 'Marine Sniper' some time. It's the story of Carlos Hathcock in Vietnam. There's some pretty amazing tales in there. I'll give one great example.
He was dropped off to take care of a Vietnamese offical in one of his toughest jobs. He knew it was nuts, but took it because if he didn't he knew they'd get some other guy to do it that wasn't as good as him, and the guy would probably die.
The building where the official would be dropped off was about, IIRC, 2800 meters away from the tree line. It was just a big field after that with tall grass. Hathcock knew he'd only have one shot at this, so he had to get in close -- which for him was 800 meters. He spent about 2 days straight crawling through the weeds out there between the tree line to a depression in the field where he could take his shot and then get out parallel to the way he came in and then await extraction.
He took his shot, saw it was a definate hit and then "booked" outta there.. it took him hours and hours to crawl out of there on his belly. You don't just get up and start running, you still have to maintain stealth.
If you force all snipers to use special equipment you eliminate most of them.
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I used to be in the US Marines and was trained as a Designated Marksman, which is an urban sniper, and worked with many of the Scout-Snipers which are the "classic" snipers.
.50 caliber rifle (A.K.A. Special Application Sniper Rifle (SASR)). This means 5 seconds until the sound is heard and means the sniper can get a decent head start running away, if they want, which they probably don't or they can just stand up, wave, and be happy they are outside the range of any weapon their target is carrying. This is assuming they don't fire from the crest of a hill and slowly back down off of it removing themselves from any danger of direct-fired weapons. Yes, indirect fire is still a problem, but it has always been a problem. If you know where the sniper is, you can always call for mortar or artillery fire. However, this is hardly cost effective, and even calling in a strike on their position does not guarantee a kill - especially if they choose their location wisely.
My first comment is that a good sniper can hit someone at ~1500 meters with a
Second, snipers are some of the sneakiest people I have ever met. If you tell them there is a robot that will respond to the noise they make, they will just set up a booby trap a hundred meters away and have their spotter trigger it at the same time they shoot. (Snipers always work in teams.) There is no way the robot is going to hear a bullet fired when it is being over-loaded by the sound of 2 pounds of C4 being detonated. If the snipers find out that it can still hear them, they will daisy chain a couple of claymore mines together with some det cord just to make things more confusing.
Finally, on a sort-of-related-but-side note, I have seen bullets fly through the air and it is pretty cool. When standing behind a shooter, just focus on the air about half-way to their target. After a few shots, your eye will start focusing on the bullet.
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Not the best round for man-sized (which strangely enough is approx. deer-sized) "game". The M-16's 5.56x45mm is really just a varmit cartridge (ideally sized for racoons, woodchucks, and prarie dogs), a slightly souped up .223 Remington more or less, not much stopping power out at the fringes of its range like your 500 yards (what is your group size anyway, gotta be huge), there's neat charts showing lethality falling off dramatically at beyond 200 yards. Snipers prefer heavier rounds that are man-capable beyond 1,000 yards, the 30 cal. high-power rifle rounds like 7.62x51mm or larger (50 cal. rules!) I wouldn't want to shoot at deer or enemy man at 500 yards in brush with a hyper-velocity lightweight .22, give me something to mow the grass and twigs on the way!
this isn't a movie, it's hard enough to shoot a target as large as a man at a distance. This thing is a sony digital camera and microphones weighing 5.5 lbs so I imagine it's pretty damn small. At a distance this would be incredibly difficult to shoot, and even if the sniper did shoot the robot first it's done it's job, alerted them to the presence of a sniper so they can take cover.
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Every Marine shoots from the 200, 300, and 500 yard lines. Because the 500 yard line is slow fire from the prone position, I and most of the Marines I served with thought the 500 yard line was the easiest stage.
He may be an average Marine marksman, but the average Marine is far better than the average Anonymous Coward.
Not only that, but after the first shot, someone walks out to within 20 or so feet of the sniper's position (to give the observers a rough idea of where the sniper is) and the sniper must fire the second shot without being detected.
They actually just fire blanks now and read numbers off cards that the graders are holding. I suppose the "metal plate" method had some drawbacks.
That said, I read a story on the net once where Charles Hathcock was at a test of a brand spanking new multi million dollar infra-red based sniper detection system. Some time during the demonstration, he snuck away and stalked toward the observers until he was 20 or so feet from them. He stood up and showed them what defeated their system - a $10 plastic umbrella.
Snipercountry has some excellent articles and some touch on Infra-Red detection.
http://snipercountry.com/Articles/IRDetection.asp
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Your post has some incorrect facts ...3) Snipers are capable of shooting up to 1500 meters away; the record for the longest kill is held by Carlos Hathcock from 2250 meters away (granted he was one of the best snipers around)
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Sorry but the World's record for longest kill is held by a Canadian sniper Killing shot made in Afghanistan at distance of 2,430 metres[1 1/2 miles] using a Barrett Firearms
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