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Record Labels Unveil Greed 2.0

theodp writes "Unsatisfied with $2.49 ringtones and as much as 70 cents of each 99 cent iTunes download, Newsweek reports that record labels want a bigger cut of digital music profits. One example: If you type in 'Madonna' - a Warner act - at the Google Video site, and the results are accompanied by ads, Warner wants a share of those ad dollars." Even more ridiculous demands than those put forth in previous stories.

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  1. Re:The RIAA is irrelevant. by ericdano · · Score: 5, Informative
    No true at all. There are a ton of small studios around that can and do produce some great sounding music. You can also invest $5K or so in your own equipment and get the sound that you want. People don't have to record to 96Khz+ using Nuemann mics. You can get great results using just Shure stuff. Hell, my favorite stuff from Evanescence was done using average stuff. Their engineered stuff sounds.....engineered, and not as good to me.

    So, studio time myth is busted. Marketing though is where the RIAA and Labels could help you....

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  2. Re:The RIAA is irrelevant. by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Informative
    For example, if you write a hit song, and someone else TAKES it......what happens to you?

    You're confusing the RIAA with organizations such as ASCAP or BMI, among others that do the actual protecting.

  3. Re:no suprise by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, you are right. And this is just one thing that is contributing to the mediocrity of popular music. But I'm actually glad to see this. The record companies keep claiming they are protecting royalties for artists, but I don't think there's anyone out there who believes that. Anybody who watches the music business knows artists are making money, but that the big guys are making more. Napster triggered a fear reaction, and now the RIAA is getting carried away with trying to overreact to everything and not just protect their revenue and old business models, but they've gotten so carried away they are overreaching.

    That's good. While it might cause higher prices for a while, the more they do this, the more their greed shows, and the closer they get to going too far and finally, through their own actions, forcing the entire industry to collapse -- leaving room for the real artists (not the sex symbols like Spears and such) to actually make a living on the work they create.

  4. Because what they do is expensive by jfengel · · Score: 4, Informative

    What the RIAA does (or rather, the RIAA member companies) is extremely expensive. Their job is to make artists well-known enough to sell a lot of music. If you want to make a living making music, you have to sell a LOT of music. At $10 a CD, you need to sell 1,500 CDs just to get yourself to the poverty line, and that's before you've paid for producing, printing, pressing, much less the advertising that makes people want your CD in the first place. You can tour like crazy but getting thousands of people to cough up $10 for your CD is going to be a challenge, especially when there are literally thousands of bands like yours out there. So real number is more like tens of thousands of CDs. If you want to get rich you'd better sell a million of them, and unless you're REALLY friendly you haven't got a million friends to sell CDs to.

    So the RIAA spends money: they lobby radio stations (and paying them, even though that's illegal) to play your music, they advertise your tour on TV, they give away free t-shirts, etc. All on a national level, because if you want to sell tens of thousands of CDs you need to adverise to many, many people.

    What they have in the end is a brand. They've spent a lot of money on you, and 20 artists like you who didn't catch fire. Once they have your name on everybody's lips, they want a cut of everything that makes money from that brand. They didn't create the music, they created the fame, and it's the fame (not the music) that's bringing people to Google to search on your name.

    I'm oversimplifying like crazy (of course the music is relevant to make the brand appealing) but you get the idea. More importantly, it's not like they're not already wildly profitable (even accounting for all of their failed attempts), and they're not taking nearly as big a risk as I'm suggesting. For example, a lot of the start-up costs are taken out of your royalties. You the artist don't see squat until you've paid back the immense costs of producing that album. (In addition to marketing costs, RIAA companies own very expensive equipment, managed by very expensive engineers, operated by very expensive producers and mixers. A musician will tell you that those things are critical to making an album you're going to want to buy, and those who aren't with the labels spend a lot of their own money to buy the equivlent themselves.)

    But perhaps your real question is, "Why do they risk alienating their customers so much?" That, I can't say for sure, except to say that I assume that somebody in a room somewhere has done a cost-benefit analysis and taken a guess that maximizing the profit on their brand is worth the customers who are alienated. They may be right; Slashdot readers (and posters) are exquisitely sensitive to the sort of manipulation that the RIAA does but many less technologically aware people aren't.

    Ultimately it is all about greed; their job is to make the maximum money. They walk a careful line; some industries do very well by appearing to be generous. Instead, they've chosen to try to milk every possible dollar. But that's "greed" in the "trying to maximize your value" sense, not "greed" in the stealing-from-other-people sense. They want the benefit of what they've created, even though it seems awfully miserly of them (and even counter-productive) to go about it the way they are.

    I imagine that they get that cynical as a result of manipulating people into buying the music in the first place, music that a lot of people think isn't very good but which a lot of people spend money on and which many go out of their way to download. (The vast majority of bands would love to have you download their music, because it means you've at least hard of them.) Since they think that they can create the desire to buy music (and their CD sales figures show that they can), the seem to think that they've got the formula licked and can risk alienating their customers because they'd rather buy the CDs from the RIAA than risk jail or take a chance on a band they've never heard of.

  5. Re:The RIAA is irrelevant. by Matt+Perry · · Score: 5, Informative
    Studio time is expensive, man.
    Only at big studios. The audio world is undergoing the same type of change the video world is undergoing. Fast computers and cheap software have removed most of the financial barriers for creative people. There's a lot of boutique studios that are cheap and have top notch audio engineers, most of them run by engineers who used to work for bigger studios.
    hiring a producer
    You be the producer. Don't you know your own music well enough to know what you want? If you are renting studio time, take advantage of the audio engineer's experience. That is, after all, a large part of what you are paying for when you rent studio time.
    studio musicians
    There are a lot of excellent musicians online that will record tracks for you in their home studio and send it to you via email. They cost a lot less than paying a session musician to travel to a studio (+ studio time). One person I correspond with on a mailing list used this technique with his last album. He recorded all of the songs using a drum machine. He sent the tracks to a drummer who listended to the songs, recorded new drum tracks, and then mailed the new drum tracks back on a CD. The guy imported the drum tracks and mixed them in. It didn't cost him an arm and a leg either.
    whatever you need to get the sound you want) can be really expensive
    I can be but it need not be. There's a lot of really great software available for mixing and audio processing. For example, I've been trying out Guitar Rig after seeing it on a friends computer. He plays gigs with a laptop, a preamp, and a firewire audio interface. He uses a foot controller hooked to the MIDI input on his firewire interface to control Guitar Rig. No need for a ton of pedals. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Great software for everything from mixing, recording, virtual instruments, audio mastering, and more are out there and can be had for very little money.
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  6. Re:How about this by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Ever hear a performer thank their label when winning an award?"

    Actually, my favorite band, The Corrs, were dumb enough to do that when they won their first international award in Spain back in the mid-90's.

    In fact, they've been slavishly worshipful of Time-Warner and Atlantic Records, praising them in numerous documentary videos.

    Today, guess what? Jason Flom, the head of Atlantic and the guy who discovered them, is out, the Corrs have been relegated to Atlantic.UK and gets no release for their new album, "Home", in the US - and their manager, John Hughes, admits publicly that they're looking for a new record deal.

    In other words, having been screwed by Atlantic, they are now looking to sign themselves up for another screwing because they don't have the imagination to see that distributing their own music and live concert broadcasts by subscription - in other words, a return to live performance, the basis of music historically - is the way to go. Even though they're probably one of the best live concert acts in the world and their ticket demand at the end of last year's tour, according to Hughes, is the highest it's ever been.

    You just can't save some people from themselves.

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  7. Re:no suprise by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 4, Informative

    You have a good point. I've always compared Shakespear to Hitchcock. Both knew how to create entertainment that rose to a high level, but appealed to people of all levels. Yes, Shakespeare did a lot with cruder themes (like the hilarious exchange about Hamlet lying with his head in Ophelia's lap), but he also created some fabulous poetry and absolutely amazing imagery. Hitchcock knew that as a director, he could do some advanced things, but he had to be sure the audience was entertained, as well. Both had a lot in common that way -- as opposed to, say, Orson Wells, who created a masterpiece in "Citizen Kane", but also made a film that draws on forever. As one film professor once said, he loves to teach CK, because there's so much in it, but that he doesn't like watching it because it is self indulgent in areas and just not entertaining.

    So, yes, I picked an example that wasn't the best, but I think the point still stands.