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CND Government Demands Widespread Tap Access

north_of_49 wrote to mention a Globe and Mail article stating that the Canadian government is seeking the ability to conduct surveillance on the communications of its citizenry. From the article: "The major boost in interception capacity is in proposals the government has put forward in confidential negotiations with the telecom industry as it prepares new legislation on high-tech wiretapping scheduled to be introduced next month. Government officials insist their proposals will bring Canada's laws on wiretaps -- drafted when people still attached alligator clips to telephone lines to listen in -- up to speed with new technologies. But privacy advocates fear an erosion of safeguards, and telecom companies worry the government wants them to build in a costly interception system."

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  1. Shortform of Canada by HeyBob! · · Score: 5, Informative

    is CDN - Thanks!

  2. Should be a fun charter challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'm pretty sure somehthing like this would violate the Charter of Rights.

    Fortunately laws like this are only good for 5 years until a new government has to pass another exception to the charter (charter exceptions are only good for 5 years, no more, and must be passed repeatedly by all new successive governments for the law to stay on the books).

    Specifically, this violates section 8 of the charter:


    8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.
  3. That's it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm packing my bags and moving to -- oh sh*t!

  4. Who's going to bomb Canada anyway? by teutonic_leech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, it's a joke, and I know that a large part of the Canadian population lives in urban areas - BUT, having said that: why would a country like Canada resort to such drastic measures? To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, 'Who would give up liberty to gain security deserves neither liberty nor security.' I live here in the U.S. and am disgusted by all the increasing trickle of loss in civil liberties. One of these days we're going to wake up and it's Big Brother - we're really getting dangerously close. If Bin Laden wanted to destroy our 'way of living' - well, I hate to say that he already succeeded. Michael

    1. Re:Who's going to bomb Canada anyway? by darkCanuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More than likely this is the result of American pressure. Many laws up here are at least brought to the table as a direct result of American government or industry.

      Canada definitely has less enemies of state than the U.S. but that doesn't make us much less at risk. Particularly because between Epcor, Hydro Québec and Hydro One, Canada supplies a *huge* amount of power to the United States, disruption of which causes a lot of panic and economic souring - token objectives of terrorists.

  5. The Second Comment by gid13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The second comment on the article says it all:

    "Criminals and terrorists can easily bypass these measures using
    encryption, stegonography, etc. The real purpose is to give the
    Recording Industry access to people who trade music files. Anne
    McLellan has been working with them on this for a couple of years. For
    the sake of the greed of a few huge music corporations they're taking
    up the tools of the Police State. Political surveillance is a heartbeat
    away from this.You are the target. "

    Nice.

  6. Chinese connection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Perhaps it has something to do with the recent finding that China has more spies in Canada than in any other nation? The government can't be too happy about that - they may be feeling they've been too lax.

  7. WIRETAPS IN CANADA??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on!!! CANADA???

    Exactly what kind of crime do they have to deal with in Canada?

    Maple Syrup Trafficing?

    1. Re:WIRETAPS IN CANADA??? by tuxette · · Score: 4, Funny
      Maple Syrup Trafficing?

      Watch out. That stuff is addictive. And expensive...

      --
      People say I'm crazy, I got diamonds on the soles of my shoes...
  8. Re:Privacy, Schmivacy by Nos. · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, the summary is a bit misleading. What this is, is a bill to request that telecommunication companies have the CAPACITY to allow authorities WITH warrants to perform wiretaps on a variety of services including email and phone. The capacity they want is about 1/5000 users. So, if you're an ISP with 10,000 users, you need to be able to tap 2 users simultaneously. This isn't news, and certainly nothing that matters. On average 2000 warrants for taps are issued per year in Canada, and are only good for 60 days without renewal.

  9. Is that new in Canada? by pe1chl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You may think that the Netherlands is a free country, but we have had laws like that for years here.
    Every company providing public communication has to be able to tap all traffic on demand. This not only includes fixed telephone lines, but also mobile (including location of the mobile set), Internet, etc.

    The number of active taps per capita here is amongst the highest in the world. And the consumer is paying for all this, as the cost compensation given to the companies is not nearly covering the real cost of making these taps.

    Furthermore, tapping is addictive. Now that the secret service has so many taps running, they start to see that it would be even better when everything is tapped and kept, so that after-the-crime analysis of data can be done as well.

    Current law proposals are moving in this direction. Call records, mobile position data, Internet logs etc have to be kept longer and be made available on request.
    This is of course only an intermediate step. Once this is implemented, it is found that even more information could be gained from the actual traffic, and the next requirement is to record all phone conversations and keep them for half a year. And to capture all Internet data sent to and from customers.

    Worst of all is that we are part of the EU. Politicians abuse the EU for a kind of ping-pong game where they first draft up some idiotic idea, then discuss it (behind closed doors) with fellow politicians in other EU countries, a few countries implement the same idea, and then they report back in their own country that the new laws have to be passed for harmonisation within the EU.

    In the first phase, any protest is waved away with "it is too early to discuss it, too early to protest, we are still drafting it and negotiating with EU partners" and then after some time (and a behind-closed-doors decision in the EU), the stance is changed to "we cannot turn this back, we are mandated by the EU to implement these laws, no need to protest because we are not making the decision".

    This nearly went wrong with software patents, and now the same risk occurs with extended tapping of all telephone and internet traffic.

    What amazes me most is that todays politicians are so easily being abused by terrorists.
    Terrorism is achieving its goals using threat, and politicians easily play their game of threat amplification. Without having to actually perform any attacks, they move the entire free world to break down their free societies and destroy all the values they were so proud of a decade ago.
    That seems like a bigger victory than blowing up some building.