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Internet Power Struggle Reaching Climax

Fredden wrote to mention a BBC piece discussing the U.S.'s poor image when it comes to Internet management. From the article: "It has even lost the support of the European Union. It stands alone as the divisive battle over who runs the internet heads for a showdown at a key UN summit in Tunisia next month. The stakes are high, with the European Commissioner responsible for the net, Viviane Reding, warning of a potential web meltdown. " We've previously covered this story.

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  1. What meltdown? by ploafmaster+general · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The sheer pomposity that these people have, believing this struggle over a collection of DNS servers is going to cause an internet meltdown, boggles my mind. Stupid politics.

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  2. Bad journalism by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course Slashdot prints half-truths and fearmongering 26 times a day, but it is fascinating to watch the mainstream press get this story wrong so many times. This argument is about the contents of a *text file*, one which the USA does not even currently control. ICANN publishes the root DNS information, and the root operators, who are dozens of independent, international parties, can choose to accept or decline. If the UN, the EU, or the National Hockey League wants to publish their own root information, they are perfectly free to do so. Why don't they put their zone out and see if anyone adopts it?

  3. Re:It just seems to be a question of pride... by rawyin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Exactly right, in that it's all about money and power. Other concerns include foreign governments being able to control facets of the Internet where the US would otherwise say no.

    Taxes, Internet Surveillence, and even the ability to require payments to reserve names in each country. Suddenly foreign governments can do all sorts of things to each other by stretching their Internet-puppet-strings. They could even hold portions of the Internet hostage or resell domains in their own country if they would profit more from their local commercial interest. "Hmm, I can claim $150,000 from this local manufacturer to give them volvo.com so I think I'll go ahead and do that."

    So far:

    • They have provided no reasons for why it has to change
    • They have given no rational suggestions for how they would improve it
    • They have sounded more like spoiled children who can't get their way and are going to throw a hissy-fit has a result.

    The US has been fairly honest and without a great deal of corruption in this business. I would not expect that from Brazil, China or many member countries of the EU.

  4. Nothing prevents me from having my own DNS server by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In fact there are products that implement local DNS on your computer so you can still browse by name if the main DNS servers are down/unreachable.

    The DNS data -USED- to be huge- but now it is a dot on a typical 300 gig hard drive.

    Nothing prevents any country, business, or person from setting up a new DNS server and saying "come here for your addresses first!" And all you have to do is configure your computer to use them.

    If I set up a server, I could list a range of addresses on it by totally different names. I'd kinda like the Max domain.

    www.msn.max
    www.maxo.max
    www.min.max
    www.slashdot.max (aka www.duplicatearticles.max)

    If you configured your browser to look at my computer for addresses first, then you could use those addresses in your browser and other programs.

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  5. Where do YOU point your DNS? by Medievalist · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Seriously, the USA exercises exactly as much control over the namespace each sysadmin chooses to give them.
    Change your name service switch configuration and Jack's a doughnut!

    Now, IP address numbers, that's another matter entirely. Packet routing depends on the numbers, and allocation of the numbers = control of the Internet. If I hate you, I'll give you a number in a chinese or korean block that has been blacklisted globally for spamming - take that you filthy wogs!!

    For readers mercifully free of the burden of a sense of humor: I'm not a racist. For those unfamiliar with proper english: Wogs start at Calais.

  6. Re:DNS inherently centralized. by sane? · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A good, reasoned, and informed comment - in marked contrast to most of pointless diatribes here. A few points though, following on from my comment to the last dupe posted.

    ICANN isn't viewed particularly fondly by those outside the US, most because it takes almost no notice of the view of the various gTLDs; and because it looks like it wants to tax those gTLD to pay for its existance. You won't have heard this in the US media of course, but are you surprised? You may have heard of the phrase "no taxation without representation" before?

    The US had agreed to get the US governments hands off the decision making process, then back tracked and said that no, on balance they would like to go back on that and ignore agreements, keeping the 'authorisation' role. This pissed off lots of people who were waiting for Sept 2006 with gritted teeth. The US misjudged their position.

    The US government, and its religious nuts, have already interfered (with .XXX). Most consider this a taste of what it might do in future (eg axis of evil = delete the gTLD from the root so they 'disappear'). In short, nobody trusts them.

    A proportion of the root servers are already outside the geographic US. Its not difficult to setup a forum to discuss policy, give an automated mechanism to allow gTLD and other non-gTLD controllers the ability to update the root servers, and cut the US gov out of the process.

    The root DNS maybe at the root of everything, but a change of who says what is served and how is not going to bring the walls crumbling down. Nobody is likely to say that .COM DNS is now provided by someone else; unless someone does something stupid. However the ability to opt out of that stupidity is what is being taken and there isn't really much that the US can do to stop it, short of threatening force.

    Oh yes, and the reporting on this is really, really bad.