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Xara X to Be Released as Open Source

zero-one writes "Xara today announced that they are releasing an open source version of their vector drawing program, Xara Xtreme. They already have a Linux demo but source code is not available quite yet. Xara Xtreme on Linux will not only bring a leading-edge graphic tool to the platform, but with community assistance, has the potential to become the world's most powerful, easiest-to-use and simply the world's best graphics program. If they get this right it could bring the Linux desktop into whole sectors of the market that is has not been able to address before."

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  1. If they do it under the GPL by narrowhouse · · Score: 5, Informative

    They specifically mention the GPL here:
    http://www.xaraxtreme.org/news/11-10-05.html

    This will be huge news, sodipodi and inkscape could use their algorithms for new functions. Abiword could support their file formats. The Gimp could build compatibilty in easily. Bravo Xara, I will be the first one to mail a check when I know this is really going to happen. I just hope this doesn't go down like the GOBE Productive announcement a few years back.

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    1. Re:If they do it under the GPL by MenTaLguY · · Score: 3, Informative

      Talk about one sided canibailzing without prejudice (would take theirs, but hell no, they won't resell mine).

      That's the reality though. Everyone on the Inkscape side had, so far, been working with the understanding that (as far as Inkscape goes) we're staying in [L]GPL-land; Xara's announcement can't unilaterally change that.

      Also, in practical terms, Inkscape's like the Linux kernel; due to the number of individual copyright holders we couldn't relicense if we wanted to, so it's simply not possible for much Inkscape code to make it into Xara-commercial, even if it made it into Xara-GPL.

      p.s. Last comment (or it was last at the time I read was probably the only inteligent comment, about shared LGPL libraries)

      Thanks. As I wrote in that email, I do think it's worth investigating ways to share future code without compromising on the [L]GPL stance. We can also probably share experience and algorithms.

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  2. Re:Why? by Albanach · · Score: 5, Informative
    The reason it has the potential is because XaraX is already a fantastic small, fast, stable offering from a programming house that's been developing graphics apps for decades. When Xara launched their vector graphics app first for Acorn RISC OS and then on Windows, the features like transparency and speed were groundbreaking.

    Seriously this means an excellent program in an area underserved on linux (vector graphics) will be available source and all.

  3. Re:I don't like this... by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Informative

    A vector graphics application has nothing to do with the GIMP, save for the fact that they'll interoperate a little better with GIMP's new "SVG copy-and-paste" feature.

    If you want to worry about Xara taking away from some other Free Software drawing program, worry about Inkscape instead.

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  4. Really F*cking good by WasterDave · · Score: 5, Informative

    All I see is bitching, whining and moaning from a people who've never used it. My SO uses Xara X damn near constantly and loves it. She was up the learning curve like a mountain goat. There's good documentation, the /real/ thing ships with a CD full of video tutorials, a whole bunch of things work like they ought to - so much so that since we're so accustomed to things not working properly you initially discount the possibility of whatever you're trying to do actually working.

    And it's FAST! Xara was initially written in the mid 90's and the system specs included "pentium processor recommended" so it goes without saying that it goes like a rocket on modern hardware. We're running it on a P3-933 and, just, whoosh.

    This is a good piece of kit. Probably the best thing I can advise is finding a windows box and playing with the downloadable demo. Be happy. Get involved in porting it. Fuck Adobe.

    Dave

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  5. Re:take a look at this video by t35t0r · · Score: 2, Informative

    Take a look at this video. It shows off some of Xara Xtreme's capabilities. I am quite impressed and can't wait until the full Linux version is released! It can use photoshop plugins too!!

  6. Re:Why? by walnut_tree · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Xara program has been around for a few years - every incarnation has had excellent magazine reviews. It has a loyal base of users and one of the primary reasons is it's powerful set of features and its easy-to-use interface. They are not starting from scratch on the usability front - they already have a head start. If you have a Windows PC, the best way to see for yourself is to simply download the trial version and give it a spin. Even better, compare it to Adobe Illustrator with its plethora of floating palettes and you'll see how tired and old-fashioned the Illustrator interface feels in comparison. Of course, these are all my subjective opinions; but then, what isn't on Slashdot? :-)

  7. This is Big. by SpamJunkie · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a designer and I've used Xara quite a bit. It is a very, very good piece of software. In terms of ease of use and speed it kills all the big boys like Illustrator and CorelDraw. In fact this is the software that Corel owned/distributed at one time as CorelXara. Then they pillaged it for features and set it on its way. It has fantastic transparency abilities and some cool bitmap-like effects such as realtime blurs. It also has some decent bitmap abilities built-in. I know most designers won't know anything about it and the open source community won't either, so please trust me when I say this is a fantastic development. I hope to take a swing at the code, with any luck creating a mac version. Sweet.

  8. Re:I don't like this... by Ucklak · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't a competitor to Gimp.
    It's more of a competitor to Inkscape.

    Gimp is a competitor to MSPaint, Photoshop, Corel PhotoPaint, JASC Paintshop Pro.
    Xara is like Acrylic, Illustrator, Inkscape and even Macromedia Flash.
    Flash adds a timeline with animation but it is vector based.

    Gimp is a raster editor. If your canvas is 640 pixels across and 480 pixels down, you have 640 pixels times 480 pixels of resolution to edit in. Scalable with software help. Quality varies with size.
    Xara is a vector based program. Your canvas size has no limit. 100% scalable.

    Artists use vector programs to 'create' in. It's what is used to create icons that we sometimes take for granted but the reality is that someone had to create it. (like fonts)
    Raster programs are used to edit existing content to produce a final result. Think http://www.worth1000.com/

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  9. Re:It is a little bit strange... by arose · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try the FAQ.

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  10. Re:Guess what? Won't happen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    If you're talking about anti-aliasing, the problem is that you can't correctly anti-alias an image with no alpha channel (like a GIF) unless you know the background color it'll be sitting on. Photoshop, Illustrator, etc assume it'll be used on a white background, but if you're going to put it on a black background, you'll need to actually save it that way. (Since Photoshop assumes transparent = white, I usually just add a black background layer, save the image as GIF, then open it up in GraphicConverter and use that to set 'black' to 'transparent'.)


    Geeez... is that hard to read the manual? Press F1 and look for matting and transparency options for save for web.
  11. This is EXCELLENT news, and here's why by GooseKirk · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been using Xara for nearly 10 years. It is a phenomenal piece of software. It's fast, stable, and it gives you the tools you need with a clean, intuitive interface and without a bunch of crap in your way. Give an untrained person a choice between the nightmare of Illustrator and Xara, and it's no competition at all. Corel and Xara are closer, but last time I checked, Corel was way over-bloated and buggy. Fireworks is probably closer yet, but while its interface isn't as FUBAR'd as Illustrator's, it's still too idiosyncratic.

    Xara is the best general-purpose vector graphics software out there. It's the easiest to learn how to use, and it really is a pleasure to work with. This is the right move for Xara, and I think it's great news for Linux. As we get new, regular users transitioning to Linux desktops, hopefully Xara will be included with some of the best distros... it should be an exciting and significant feature for a decent percentage of users. Even people who just want to make a flyer for their garage sale will find Xara cool and fun.

    On a personal note, Xara is the main reason why I still haven't switched to a Linux desktop for myself. I can't live without my Xara... now it looks like I'll finally be able to switch! Tonight, I will literally go out and toast to Xara. This is the best news I've had in months.

  12. Xara and Inkscape by bbyakk · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you read their FAQ, they are more than aware of the existence of Inkscape. They give credit to Inkscape for "features that Xara does not have" and a higher rate of development. In fact, they say that the ultimate goal is a single merged vector editor combining the best in Xara and Inkscape. And as an Inkscape developer, this is something I'd like to see as well.

    It remains to be seen how exactly this merger will proceed, who will be on the giving side and who on the receiving side. Whichever way it goes, however, their goal is the same as mine: to create the best vector editor in the world. So I guess this means Xara and Inkscape are bound to be friends overall, even though an element of competition will be present as well.

    For an overview of how Inkscape and Xara compare, read this:

    http://wiki.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Xara_X

  13. Re:RIf they do it under the GPL-Cooks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative


    You not only have to keep track of the patch.

    You have to keep track of the contributor.

    You have to keep *current* contact information for that contributor.

    And that contributor has to give permission for the relicense.

    For every single patch.

  14. Re:RIf they do it under the GPL-Cooks. by MenTaLguY · · Score: 3, Informative

    Like the other poster said, the problem isn't keeping track of the patches, but being able to find current contact information for all the contributors (which we don't have), successfully contacting them (for many long-running projects, some might be dead), and assuming you make it that far, getting them to unanimously agree to the relicensing (I already know some wouldn't).

    People problem, not a technical one.

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