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Doubts About Future GPS Reliability

loped_index writes "IT Week reports that the U.S. GPS system is in a delicate state, and that full coverage could be lost if older satellites fail faster than the current rate. From the article: 'The system relies on a network of satellites, which cannot be repaired once launched and have a limited lifespan. Sixteen of the present 28 satellites were built to last seven and a half years, but are now between eight and 14 years old. Twenty-four satellites are required for full coverage.'"

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  1. Backup Satellites by g4n0n · · Score: 3, Informative

    They fail to mention that there are a number of backup satellites sitting up there, waiting to go into the consellation if any fail.

  2. Re:Yada yada by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 4, Informative

    Indeed, I'm sure I remember reading something somewhere about the US government recently launching newer, more accurate GPS satellites. Of course, what we need these days is more alarmist rhetoric, so I suppose this is apropos.

  3. GPS Satellite Replacement by jwink · · Score: 2, Informative

    It sounds like they are already in the midst of replacing it - check out SpaceFlightNow. The new series is going up with the next generation in the works. Maybe it's just a matter of keeping at or above the crucial 24 limit...?

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  4. Re:May not be that important, really.... by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're joking right?

    For those few that don't get it, the satellites aren't geostationary, so a failed satellite (once the minimum # is reached) will probably create a dead spot that moves around the planet, in which GPS service is degraded.

  5. Re:EU's Galileo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Several US firms - and the US governement are active in the development of Galileo as even the most basic search will turn up. However, the big difference comes down to the desire by several of the EU backers to piggyback their encrypted signal in the same space as the GPS encrypted signal. You can imagine anyone getting upset when a newcomer decides to ride on the same signal area (i.e. BPL and hamms).

  6. GPS Constellation status, with launch dates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    From: ftp://tycho.usno.navy.mil/pub/gps/gpstd.txt

    A. BLOCK II/IIA/IIR/IIR-M INDIVIDUAL SATELLITE STATUS

    SVN PRN
    15 15 Launched 01 OCT 1990; usable 15 OCT 1990; operating on Cs std
    24 24 Launched 04 JUL 1991; usable 30 AUG 1991; operating on Cs std
    25 25 Launched 23 FEB 1992; usable 24 MAR 1992; operating on Cs std
                        Scheduled unusable 20 Oct 0130 to 1330 UT for repositioning
                          maintenance (NANU 2005131/14 OCT)
    26 26 Launched 07 JUL 1992; usable 23 JUL 1992; operating on Rb std
    27 27 Launched 09 SEP 1992; usable 30 SEP 1992; operating on Rb std
    29 29 Launched 18 DEC 1992; usable 05 JAN 1993; operating on Rb std
    30 30 Launched 12 SEP 1996; usable 01 OCT 1996; operating on Rb std
    31 31 Launched 30 MAR 1993; usable 13 APR 1993; operating on Rb std
                        Unusable 14 Apr 1634 UT and will remain unusable until
                          further notice (NANU 2005055)
    32 01 Launched 22 NOV 1992; usable 11 DEC 1992; operating on Cs std
    33 03 Launched 28 MAR 1996; usable 09 APR 1996; operating on Cs std
    34 04 Launched 26 OCT 1993; usable 22 NOV 1993; operating on Rb std
    35 05 Launched 30 AUG 1993; usable 28 SEP 1993; operating on Cs std
    36 06 Launched 10 MAR 1994; usable 28 MAR 1994; operating on Rb std
    37 07 Launched 13 MAY 1993; usable 12 JUN 1993; operating on Rb std
    38 08 Launched 06 NOV 1997; usable 18 DEC 1997; operating on Cs std
    39 09 Launched 26 JUN 1993; usable 20 JUL 1993; operating on Cs std
    40 10 Launched 16 JUL 1996; usable 15 AUG 1996; operating on Cs std
    41 14 Launched 10 NOV 2000; usable 10 DEC 2000; operating on Rb std
    43 13 Launched 23 JUL 1997; usable 31 JAN 1998; operating on Rb std
    44 28 Launched 16 JUL 2000; usable 17 AUG 2000; operating on Rb std
    45 21 Launched 31 MAR 2003; usable 12 APR 2003; operating on Rb std
                        Unusable 13 Oct 0217 to 0905 UT due to repositioning
                          maintenance (NANUs 2005129, 2005130/13 OCT)
    46 11 Launched 07 OCT 1999; usable 03 JAN 2000; operating on Rb std
    47 22 Launched 21 DEC 2003; usable 12 JAN 2004; operating on Rb std
    51 20 Launched 11 MAY 2000; usable 01 JUN 2000; operating on Rb std
    53 17 Launched 26 SEP 2005
                        For more information about PRN17/SVN53, see:
                          http://www.spaceflightnow.com/delta/d313a/
    54 18 Launched 30 JAN 2001; usable 15 FEB 2001; operating on Rb std
    56 16 Launched 29 JAN 2003; usable 18 FEB 2003; operating on Rb std
    59 19 Launched 20 MAR 2004; usable 05 APR 2004; operating on Rb std
    60 23 Launched 23 JUN 2004; usable 09 JUL 2004; operating on Rb std
    61 02 Launched 06 NOV 2004; usable 22 NOV 2004; operating on Rb std

  7. Working at the GPS hub by iamweezman · · Score: 5, Informative
    As an active duty Air Force tech controller I work almost daily with the satellite operators that "fly" the GPS satellites. Some of their systems are more than antiquated, but still function with adequate redundancy built in. Although the lifespan might have been eclipsed the telemetry data recieved by the operators give them the state of health of the satellites which allows them to plan for future launches.

    In fact, a newer GPS satellite was just launched weeks ago. As stated before, the DOD has a special spot in their hearts for GPS. The GPS operators get treated extra special because of the US military's reliance on them. There are already plans in place for each satellite to be super-orbited when the time comes and for a new launch to follow.

    In other words, if the military isn't worried about it, neither should we be.

  8. Re:No news here by dhakbar · · Score: 1, Informative

    He said new and useful, key word being NEW.

    Your examples are all at least 50 years behind us. In addition, none of those inventions were world-wide systems that America made power grabs for... the current situation with the UN/EU wanting power over the internet is completely different than the American use and application of those English inventions. And, for the record, the US developed a jet engine independently and simultaneously.

  9. Re:Well... by Detritus · · Score: 2, Informative

    The U.S. Navy made very substantial contributions to the GPS program. They were the pioneers in satellite-based navigation.

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  10. Re:No news here by IvyKing · · Score: 4, Informative
    I mean one country (England) in Europe only invented the steam engine, locomotive,

    Hmmm, lessee. Seem to recall that the first steam engine was built by a Greek named Hero, although the first useful one was built by Newcomen. The first self propelled vehicle was built by Cugnot of France, another Frenchman built the first steamboat (and that was acknowledged by Fulton). The first high pressure steam engines were built by Trevithick of England and Oliver Evans of the US. Trevithick also built the first steam locomotive. While the first locomotives in the US were imported from England, the US became a net exporter of steam locomotives by the mid-1830's. The first elecric locomotive (albeit model sized) was built by Thomas Davenport of Vermont in 1834.

    the telephone

    Huh? I would believe "The telegraph" (Wheatstone).

    internal combustion

    Funny, the names for the two most common ICE cycles are Otto and Diesel - sounds suspiciously German to me.

    the jet engine

    Which was devloped from turbocharger technology - ISTR was a Swiss development. The Swiss had a working gas turbine in 1940.

    One thing you did leave out, the steam turbine was developed by an Englishman by the name of Parsons.

  11. Re:EU's Galileo by clodney · · Score: 3, Informative

    GPS is funded by the military, so they are launched by the Air Force, not NASA. I know nothing about the budget of either, but I would be surprised if the Air Force was unable to afford 2 launches a year - or even 6 or 7 if the failure rate kicks up.

  12. jets didn't come from turbochargers by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Informative

    Leaving off the Swiss turbocharger thing (Americans made them practical).

    Jets just flat out don't come from turbochargers.

    Jets use fan blades, turbochargers do not. Turbochargers use impellers and are only compressors. Jets have different compression sections, burners (flame fronts) and actually make thrust.

    It's like saying cars came from trains because both have round wheels. It just doesn't work.

    I don't see how England invented TV. Nipkow (German) invented mechanical TV, and Farnsworth (American) invented electronic TV (far more important to getting us to where we are now).

    The grandparent did miss that England invented RADAR. A great invention.

    Note to other posters, Alexander Graham Bell was not Canadian. He resided there fora while, but never changed nationality, he was a Scot up intil he became American. He was a Scot (living in Boston?) when he invented the telephone.

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    1. Re:jets didn't come from turbochargers by IvyKing · · Score: 2, Informative
      Jets use fan blades, turbochargers do not. Turbochargers use impellers and are only compressors. Jets have different compression sections, burners (flame fronts) and actually make thrust.

      First off, turbochargers make use of a turbine to drive the compressor.
      Secondly, many of the early jets used centrifugal compressors (impeller).
      Thirdly, several people have made small turbojets by grafting a combustion chamber between the compressor and turbine of an off the shelf turbocharger.

      One of the reasons that GE got its start in jet engines (when the RAF was looking for an American company to work on jet engines) was because of their experience with turbochargers. GE also had a lot of experience with other turbomachinery which didn't hurt.

      The grandparent did miss that England invented RADAR.

      Yes and no. The US Naval Research Labs did some early work in the 1920's and Deak Parsons was working on the proximity fuze in the late 30's - which first saw use at Guadalcanal in early 1943. In addition, the US had many RADAR sets of domestic design operating in the VHF spectrum - including one operating on the north end of Oahu on the morning of Dec 7, 1941.