NASA Jet Propulsion Lab Lays Off 300 Engineers

Ghost of Von Karmen writes "NASA JPL, the lab that brought us missions such as Voyager, Cassini, and the Mars Exploration Rovers will eliminate about 300 engineering related positions due to Congressional budget cuts, according to various sources. The cuts reflect a change in emphasis away from robotic technology and toward human exploration of space. Prof. Elachi, head of JPL has indicated that the lab may pursue Department of Defense contracts to minimize additional reductions in personnel."

Comments

Yeah right

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

The cuts reflect a change in emphasis away from robotic technology and toward human exploration of space.

The cuts reflect the tremendous cost of warmongering around the world...

Re:Yeah right

[Kickboy12]

Yeah. It's sad, isn't it? We live in a world where finding more advanced ways of killing people is more important than understanding the universe.

Re:Yeah right

[Jeremi]

Interestingly enough, Iraq was a secular state. It looks like it will become an Islamic state in the near future, thanks to our efforts.

Re:Yeah right

[cmacb]

"This is a good thing. People are being laid off at some NASA centers, and others are hiring."

Your problem my friend is that you are looking at the big picture instead of just some microscopic Bush-hating sliver of it.

First of all, the story is mischaracterized here. From one of the articles:

"McGregor said the cuts would include support staff, engineering and technology positions, though she declined to give specifics. Scientist positions "are a little bit different," she said, because most scientists receive grants for their research."

The articles also say that a lot of the cuts will be through attrition (for the not-so-literate: that means normal retirements, job changes etc.), and affects mostly "support" positions and contractors, not scientists. Translation: "the cafeteria will no longer be open until 5PM."

Contrary to popular belief (it would seem), erstwhile rocket scientists are not being deployed to Iraq.

In fact there have been many people for years that have argued that the manned program, PARTICULARLY the Shuttle program took way too much of the NASA budget away from more pure forms of space research, and now, to rescue and re-invent that effort we are doing it again. But many of us have too short an attention span, and had our vision focused to only what it reported in the sensationalist headlines (including the Slashdot ones). Congratulations on being in the well informed minority.

I'll now proceed to view some of the wild and crazy popular-media inspired posts to see what joe-armchair thinks about the world.

Re:Yeah right

[superdude72]

Target terrorists, repair infrastructure, build schools and plant Democracy.

If by "target terrorists" you mean kill the people who resist our illegal occupation plus some others who happened to get in the way, and by "repair infrastructure" you mean fail to repair infrastructure, and by "build schools" you mean stage photo-ops, and by "plant democracy" you mean pave the way for an Iranian-allied theocracy and civil war,

then you're absolutely right.

What are you doing posting on Slashdot? Go over there and plant democracy! The Marines need you!

Why?

[geomon]

Because humans in space is the most important way to conduct space exploration.

Okay... I couldn't keep a straight face either.

Re:Why?

[drsquare]

Humans can't explore space. Exploration is finding new things. There's nowhere humans can go that hasn't already been explored by probes or seen by telescopes.

If we put a human on Mars, they won't be exploring it, because it's already been done by probes. Yeah we could send them to new places, but a probe would do the job a thousand times more effectively.

Should politicans fund more space ventures? I don't like the thought of my hard-earned wages being spent on getting some blurry pictures of some distant no-one in my lifetime will ever visit.

Write your Congressman TODAY!

[Derling Whirvish]

This is serious and incredibly stupid. Do not let this pass without contacting you Congressman and telling tham how incredibly stupid and short-sighted this really is.

http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Commenting here will accomplish nothing. You MUST write your Congressional representative. Be civil.

Re:Write your Congressman TODAY!

[Dominic_Mazzoni]

This is serious and incredibly stupid.

I'm a JPL employee. I'm not a manager or anything, but here's how I understand the situation.

While this is serious and unfortunate for the people being laid off, I don't think that NASA's priorities are necessarily misplaced in this case. Mike Griffin, the new NASA administrator, has made it his top goal to get the replacement for the space shuttle ready as soon as possible - much faster than had been planned previously. This is a very good thing - everyone I know at NASA is applauding this.

NASA's overall budget has not changed significantly. As a result, Griffin had to make the tough decision to cancel a few programs, including one big robotic mission, in order to put more money into retiring the shuttle. Very importantly, he did not cancel any Earth science programs, and didn't cancel any Mars exploration programs.

It's unfortunate that this has affected JPL so much (more than all other NASA centers except Ames), and to be totally honest morale is pretty low at the lab right now because this caught everyone by surprise. But the truth is that JPL's director, Charles Elachi, has been very forthcoming and frank about the whole thing, and really seems to be making a serious effort to be fair about the layoffs. And even though I may not agree with every decision they make, I have enormous respect for both Elachi and Griffin. They're both scientists/engineers, not MBAs or something like that (the first NASA administrator Bush appointed was an accountant - he had no clue what he was doing), and they have extremely impressive credentials. They're smart, honest, and very experienced, and they're both trying to do what's best for NASA in the long run.

Checks Calendar ...

[mpapet]

Gov't employees laid off..

Is this April 1st?

Seriously though, remember it's not about the science.

It's about making it safe for corporations to own things in space. Corporations need people in space, not robots. Right now, the people are cheaper and do more than robots.

Not researching robots and spending lots of money figuring out how to make them do things is another public policy misstep. Sad.

Another reason NOT to go into science/engineering

[Marxist Hacker 42]

And I'm sure somebody will say that education is still usefull- despite this becoming almost a cliche story. You never hear "Major Labortory/Tech Company to lay off C-level exectutives in an attempt to keep R&D running". Why would any young person go into science or technology if this is the way they treat people?

Robots are cheaper

[abradsn]

What stupidity is this? Robots are the cheapest way to explore space. The technology advances in robotics actually have real use on Earth. Yep, let's remove the federally funded program that has the most impact at NASA and replace it with a pipe dream of 2 missions. One to the moon, and one to mars. What then. Astronaut: Hmm, hey it would be nice to have some remote control robots out there in the harshest environments ever... or, Astronaut: Let's climb into a plastic bag filled with air and dance around in a low G environment. Oops, don't fall down, or you puncture your suit and quickly die.

the reason why

[myStupidNickName]

Listen to Elachi's speeches.
This is not a permanent shift from robotics to manned exploration in the NASA mindset. This is a painful but hopefully temporary shift to get the CEV up faster so we don't have such a large down time between when the shuttle expires and the CEV comes on line. Robotics is still the acknowledged way to go, just not this year.

JPL funding for '06 is the same order of magnitude as '03, just much less than '04 and '05.

Re:Anyone know the real unemployment rate in the U

[teutonic_leech]

During some news report I actually heard that it was closer to around 8-10% - they're a lot more honest in Europe in how they count people without employment. Basically, in Europe:

unemployed = No income

In the U.S.:

unemployed = Collecting unemployment

Re:America's space strategy

[njchick]

The problem is, JPL is not making rockets. JPL creates unique exploration systems, that no corporation (American or Chinese) would make for profit. I'm all for NASA using commercial launchers whenever possible, but the payload has to be made by scientists.

I believe money can be much better spent on robotic exploration rather than on manned missions. I also think the return on investment in terms of new technology is going to be better per money spent (although manned expeditions cost much more).

Of the 12 astronauts that walked on the Moon, only one was a geologist. I'm afraid this will happen again on the Moon and on Mars, if (and it's a big if) the US administrations will have sufficient will and attention span to make astronauts get there at all.

I don't think anyone's forgotten.

[khasim]

But I'm not sure what you remember.

Some terrorists flew planes into our buildings and killed a bunch of our people.

So we invaded Afghanistan because that is where the group that they belonged to were headquartered at the time.

Then, for some reason, we invaded Iraq. And we're still paying for Iraq. And our people are still dying in Iraq.

What did Iraq have to do with those terrorists?

Re:Another reason NOT to go into science/engineeri

[rolfwind]

Not only this, but it used be that the top executive at Fortune 500 companies 20 years age got something like 20X what a "normal" lay person gets paid (though I'm sure stock options were there aplenty to). These days it's ballooned to ballooned to 50x and up. And when they do get laid off, they have so many parachute clauses and termination pay-offs that being laid-off is the best thing that could have every happened to them - you don't even have to be good at your job - witness Carlo Fiorina at HP. Or Meg Whitman at Ebay - (she's a billionaire from heading ebay! And I was there from the beginning, DESPITE her blunders, it was going up anyway, if anything it was a free ride).

Sorry if it seems I'm picking on the girls, these just happen to be the companies I follow--.--, there are percentage wise also a lot of crappy guy CEOs - Darl McBride for one.

The CEO of Costco is one of those people I still look up to in business, most of the rest are ratbags willing to sell out the company in order to grab as much as they can in their short tenors as leaders. The Costco CEO (and co-founder, I believe) only pays himself 250,000 a year and insists on paying his workers a decent wage (something like 15-16 dollars/hour to start with) plus health benefits unlike Walmart.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_22 /b3885011_mz001.htm

New science projects

[msbsod]

Maybe NASA needs new science projects to be on better terms with the current administration. How about

• the earth is flat,
• the earth is the center of the universe,
• we all were created based on intelligent design,
• search for the creator,
• radiation is good for the creation,
• mercury can be converted into gold,
• spontaneous combustion of people does happen,
• ozone holes do not exist and affect only countries,
• global warming cannot happen?

Sorry for the exaggeration, but what most people in the US still do not realize is that NASA is not the only research institution facing mass layoffs. There is a broad program running to shut down research labs nationwide. At the same time tens of billions of dollars are shifted to religious extremists. It makes me feel sick when I see what is happening.