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Hidden Codes in Printers Cracked

r84x writes "A research team led by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) recently broke the code behind tiny tracking dots that some color laser printers secretly hide in every document. The U.S. Secret Service admitted that the tracking information is part of a deal struck with selected color laser printer manufacturers, ostensibly to identify counterfeiters. However, the nature of the private information encoded in each document was not previously known. "We've found that the dots from at least one line of printers encode the date and time your document was printed, as well as the serial number of the printer," said EFF Staff Technologist Seth David Schoen."

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  1. Before... by trevordactyl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before anyone has a conniption, consider this: do you really think that "they" have a database they could reference to find out what printer serial number goes to what citizen? I don't. I know they could, but I choose to believe (most likely for good reason) that they don't.

    Just realize that 99.9% of the world doesn't give a shit about anything you do, and all that paranoia just slips away. That's what I did.

    1. Re:Before... by Alchemar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What do you think all the registration cards that are "required" for warrenty are about. It is utterly amazing how much junk they store on individuals in the name of marketing. I will agree that no one will care about most people, but not caring and not having the information in a database are two different things. I have a very unique name derived from a misspelling on a birth certificate. The only two people in the world with my name is me and my father, but I still pull up over 500 hits if I enter it in google. Most of them some kind of goverment or school entery. No one cares about me or my father now, but the information is still there if that ever changes.

    2. Re:Before... by rbochan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep, and Americans in the 1930's and 1940's didn't think the cute guy/girl they dated for a couple of months in college were any big deal. They didn't think writing a book report for a class was any big deal.

      Then along came Senator Joseph McCarthy...

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    3. Re:Before... by WeeLad · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yes, they must, otherwise this tracking information is useless, right?

      I don't know that the lack of a database would make the information useless. It may work like running ballistics tests on a shell casing found at a crime scene and matching it to a weapon seized from a suspect.

      Even if there ability to find a suspect is limited, they may have the ability to prove, within a court of law, that a document came from the printer in your basement.

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    4. Re:Before... by panthro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Shadowy Organization probably doesn't have all that information on file directly, but clearly the idea behind setting up this "deal" with the printer manufacturers is that they can obtain the information from them when they need it (say, when they find a fake twenty with the dot pattern embedded).

      Who's to say what it takes for them to obtain this information and how they use it? I'm personally not satisfied to just think "they'll only obtain it when they need it, and they will only use it for a Good Cause". It's not paranoia, it's like Murphy's law: if it can be abused, it probably will be.

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    5. Re:Before... by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The CIA/FBI doesn't need to keep the information in a database, they have the manufacturers & retailers to do that for them. If they find a printed paper that's of "interest", they contact the manufacturer of the printer. The manufacturer knows which retailer the printer was sold to. The retailer, not wanting to question on their patriotism, rolls over & hands them your credit card information. Presto, you've vanished to behind barbed wire on some Carribean island.

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    6. Re:Before... by DjReagan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Just realize that 99.9% of the world doesn't give a shit about anything you do, and all that paranoia just slips away"

      Oh, so there's only 0.1% of the world who is interested in what I'm doing?

      I'm glad it works out for you, but 6 million people snooping around in my private life doesn't make my paranoia go away.

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  2. Conspiracy math by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love conspiracy math: Lets see, conservative estimate of 400 million printers in North America alone, and no method of tracking serial number to location or owner past the original purchase, assuming cash was not used. So, hmmmm a data base with 400 million records, tied to dubious information... yeah, that's useful, but on second thought, it would allow police to figure out if the printer that counterfit documents were created with was in North America or Europe... that would be helpful, but not really worth putting on the tin foil hats.

    Anyway, so the government requires each printer manufacturer to maintain a database of all printers sold, so that if needed, they can subpeona the records? No wonder printer ink costs so much :)

    I'm thinking that this would only go so far, and not be much more useful than a database of gun rifling marks?

  3. Re:Printer Friendly Version? by SB5 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Hell, it's not like anyone actually cares what you print unless you're doing something illegal that would warrent them spending a lot of time and money to try and find you.


    That is true in an uncorrupted system. The question remains what would happen if someone did use their power like J. Edgar Hoover did, and others in history that have got away with abuse of power in such a manner.

    And there is the case of just because something is illegal, that doesn't mean that something is a wrong thing to do.
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  4. Re:Printer Friendly Version? by nolife · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hell, it's not like anyone actually cares what you print unless you're doing something illegal that would warrent them spending a lot of time and money to try and find you.
    The people that do not want their houses randomly searched must be hiding something, after all, why would they not want searched? I know, point taken to the extreme but where do you draw the line?

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  5. My country right or wrong is WRONG by Analogy+Man · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Where do we stop using intrusive technologies.

    • Felonious use of technology (e.g. counterfieter)
    • Legal use by felon (e.g. mail from murderer)
    • Illegal use as civil disobediance (e.g. printing document that is improperly classified secret for political reasons)
    • Constitutionally protected but anti-establishment use (e.g. hand distribution of fliers of "Top 10 Reasons to Impeach Congressman Blowhard")

    The "if you have nothing to hide" apologists for elimination of freedoms is a slippery slope to totalitarianism. Orwell would snicker!

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  6. Re:Printer Friendly Version? by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They deal with people who are abusing their kids;

    ...Or take that job upon themselves with creative use of the ever-popular "resisting arrest" claim. Clumsy kids, always going around breaking their own ribs while locked alone in a jail cell.


    or acting indignent because they got pulled over for speeding;

    Or driving while black. Or a personal favorite, driving on the wrong side of the road - On a lineless back road barely wide enough for a single car (the sort where you literally stop and one car pulls totally off the road if you meet another car coming the opposite way).


    or drunk and screaming obscenities in public places;

    Or ordered to step outside a bar, given a sobriety test, and charged with public drunkenness.


    or involved in horrible accidents and shootings.

    You mean like when a cop panics over a 2YO kid with a cap gun, and ventilates him? Or when they zealously chase a gas station drive-off at 110mph leading to three deaths over $30 in fuel?


    It's even more unlikely that the government is going to use this against you, unless you do something to draw the attention of say, the FBI.

    You mean like anonymously distributing a (legal) pamphlet critical of the wrong politician, who wants revenge and has convenient connections?



    I appreciate what police do. They keep a bunch of unruly domesticated primates from killing one another.

    But don't glorify them - They chose that job because they get to act the most like unruly domesticated primates, and justify it as part of the job. Politicians chose their job because they like power (or money, or both). WE all need to do our part to keep the police, and the government in general, in check.