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Novell Missteps Not Affecting SuSE

OSS_ilation writes "Analysts and users agree -- if the layoff rumors at Novell prove true sometime soon, SuSE Linux has nothing to fear. Over at SearchOpenSource.com the word is that the popular SuSE Linux operating system has both the community support and technical chops to weather any personnel-related storms that may be lingering on the horizon. However, the point is also made that should Novell go south, there are those who believe SuSE could prove to be an appealing acquisition target."

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  1. Novell still has cash by stevesliva · · Score: 4, Informative

    Novell's got a billion bucks. Really. Even if they take a huge onetime charge to fire everyone they have left in Utah, they won't be dead for years.

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  2. Now who might want to see Novell disembowelled? by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 3, Informative
    Microsoft has an extensive Old Boys' Network in the tech industry, but in particular within the financial industry. There's no lack of money managers eager to do Microsoft's bidding in exchange for a piece of Microsoft's money laundering business.

    A revitalized Novell-SUSE-Ximian combo is a massive threat to Microsoft (Hello New Zealand!) and if there are any even barely semilegal (under the current US regi... administration) wink-wink-nod-nod ways of getting the large financial firms to undermine Novell's image and finances, the goebbelsesque masterminds within the Strategic Acquisitions and Finances department of Microsoft are certainly pulling all their strings to that effect. That's their sole reason d'etre!

    One recent example: When MS wanted their "Linux Powerhouse" and Office competitors Corel dead (but actually managed to buy it instead through a proxy; DOJ who?), they used ex-MS executives and their former or current colleagues and an MS-affiliated Vector Capital venture firm (financed by certain Paul Allen and operated by ex-MS execs) to do the probing, buying, insider bribing (offers of a glittery parachutes and a get-out-of-jail-free cards, anyone?), doctored "third party" evaluation of the company finances and its business projections (by top Wall St firms) etc. Even Corel's new and supposedly independently created pro-MS business strategy in 2001 was devised by a consultancy firm (McKinsey and Company) with links to people involved in the shady takeover.

    Innocuous manipulation of competitors' share price (Down, boy!), or interference in competitors' corporate affairs through seemingly neutral investment houses or venture investors (Split 'em up for quick short-term profit!) is probably taking place all the time. The corporate hijacking of Corel was an amazingly outrageous maneuver, taking place as it did so soon after MS had nominally "lost" their monopoly case against the US-DOJ, and Microsoft's strategic planners certainly feel that they have even more leeway these days.

    "Should Novell go south... blah blah blah?"

    At the time of the MS-engineered takeover Corel was finalizing its turnaround and had loads of cash left (they were eventually bought out for a mere $30-40M for the dozen or so products!) but for some reason the larger investment firms and certain media kept referring to the company as "beleagured" (Hello Apple!), keeping up a constant stream of negative speculation. That is, of course, intended to have an effect on potential customers...

    So now we have the even cash-richer Novell in the unenviable position of being a major MS competitor and yet having its "missteps" and future disembowellings spculated in the press.. But this time Novell also has some big backers (Hello Big Blue!) in its corner and I'd expect Novell to break through any glass ceilings or FUD campaigns instead of laying down its arms and capitulating before the Barbarian Gates.

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  3. Re:I just can't believe... by LnxAddct · · Score: 4, Informative

    This isn't FUD. Novell has been underperforming for years now. Its investors have been clamoring for massive layoffs and a major revampment. They wany Novell to sell off every thing that isn't profitable, and unless SuSE starts brining in a lot more cash, they *will* sell off that division. This isn't hard to believe either, look at Novell's history... they've always just moved from one tech to the other as each of their attempts failed. They are running out of the piles of cash aquired in the mid to late 90s and all the major investors are getting peeved.

    Novell's management is one of the most disfunctional units in any major corporation, its great that they bought SuSE and all, except that they haven't done anything with the product since they've bought it. Sure they hired Nat, and he's done some cool things, but when it comes down to it, Novell is still testing the waters with Linux and right now its not looking too good for them. Don't be surprised if they sell off that unit. Last quarter they only earned 2 million dollars, and now they are spending 200 million to buyback stock and bump up their stock prices so investors are a little happier.

    Investors have also already pushed Novell to sell off its consulting unit. Now they are also laying off at a minimum of 120 people in Europe. Most investment firms predict Novell will continue to underperform for sometime. Novell bought SuSE because it was on the market to be purchased and it was fairly cheap, Red Hat was offered the chance to buy SuSE first but they declined. Red Hat, unlike Novell, is riddled with major OSS advocates from the top down (i.e. the guy who wrote the first gnu c++ compiler is their VP of OSS affairs) and they believe in healthy competition, especially since with OSS everyone benefits from eachother's work, also it would have made them look bad as being a monopoly on the market. Novell saw a cheap way to test if Linux was profitable and its turning out to not be the golden goose that they needed. Novell is literally just a big mess and its been that way for over half a decade. They *can't* keep at this pace for another year or two.
    Regards,
    Steve

  4. Good Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Businessweek has a good article regarding Novell's current difficulties.

  5. Re:Who cares about Suse? It's Mono that matters... by miguel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mono is not a monolith, its made up of different components. Some of those components are completely supported and some are not (we did a detailed description in our 1.0 release notes).

    Today the VM, C#, ASP.NET, ADO.NET, System.XML and the core from .NET 1.1 are very well supported and used by many commercial products and companies to deploy applications and services. Some other areas are not completed (Windows.Forms and some Windows-specific APIs) and some others are unique to Mono (Gtk#, Mono.Cairo, Mono.Data.* and a bunch more).

    A year ago the Mono team was split in three to pursue different goals based on the team skills:

    * Performance, scalability and hardening: effectively maintaining Mono, improving it and making it scale. This group is in charge of making Mono shine and make sure that our users have no complains about it, making sure that we fix bugs, rewrite code for performance, harden it and write tests.

    * Windows.Forms: one of the areas that we do not support in Mono: a large undertaking as it effectively means authoring a new GUI toolkit and something that we had paid very little attention. Not as important as the server side components as we already had Gtk# for developers to use.

    * 2.0 features: we started work on 2.x features as soon as Microsoft released the specifications to ECMA which was about six months before the 2003 PDC Conference. A complete 2.x VM is part of Mono today (1.1.9), a complete C# 2.0 compiler implementation as well as System.XML 2.0

    You are right that in the 2.0 universe we are missing some bits, mostly on ASP.NET 2.0 and a few of the new classes in System and System.Data. Although they are elaborate projects, none of those are impossible. Compared to the work that we have done so far it is certainly a small fraction.

    Miguel.

  6. Re:I just can't believe... by bckrispi · · Score: 2, Informative
    ...its great that they bought SuSE and all, except that they haven't done anything with the product since they've bought it.

    Wrong.

    Novell has bet their farm with SuSe being successful. Don't fool yourself. Novell may be mismanaged, but they do still have a huge install base running NetWare. And they've been gradually trying do get their existing NetWare customers to switch to Suse Enterprise. Virtually their entire product offering: E-directory, Identity Manager, ZenWorks, GroupWise, etc. have been ported to Linux and work smashingly well on it. Suse is arguably the best enterprise distro out there in terms of security and stability, and this is due in no small part to the work Novell has done on it. Not only that, but Novell has been a good "open source steward" with Suse. Much of the proprietary technology that they've built into their Enterprise distro has been gpl'd and released back into the community.

    Red Hat, unlike Novell, is riddled with major OSS advocates from the top down

    Wrong again. The suits at Novell mandated over a year ago that the *entire* company, from execs, to engineers, to the trophy secretary, gradually ditch their Windows workstations in favor of the Novell Linux Desktop. In fact, in their corporate directory portal, every employee has a gauge next to their picture that reflects what percentage of their daily work is done using Linux. Make no mistake, Novell needs to make Suse successful commercially if they are to survive, and they're very serious about making sure *all* of their staff is on board.

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