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New Limits to FBI Tracking of Cell Phone Users

EvilTwinSkippy writes "According to the Washington Post (free registration), Two Federal Courts have seperately ruled that the FBI may not track the location of cell phone users without proof that a crime has been committed, or is in progress. The cases involve the FBI seeking court orders to track suspects in real-time using the mobile phone network as part of an ongoing investigation."

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  1. Terrorist by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't any tourist ("foreign body") in the US by definition a suspect terrorist under the new definition?

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    1. Re:Terrorist by aj50 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article would suggest that they have to show evidence that a crime has been comitted before they're allowed to track you, just suspecting you isn't enough.

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  2. Crime by panxerox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I thought that in the eyes of the Federal Government we were all guilty of a crime anyway?

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    1. Re:Crime by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

      Agreed. Yet Slashbots just drool at the chance to knock something they don't like. You think we have problems now? (we do) Can you imagine if the slashdot moderators gained control of the federal government? We'd have an absolute police state in six weeks.

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    2. Re:Crime by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

      Power Corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Everyone from Microsoft would be banished to Alcatraz, and Linux would be the state enforced religion with Linus as His prophet (non-profit?).

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  3. Things that... by 42Penguins · · Score: 3, Funny

    make you go HMM.

    FBI: We need to tap his phone to prove he committed a crime.
    Court: You need to prove he committed a crime to tap his phone.

    1. Re:Things that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      I certainly went "HMM", but not at the ruling. I went "HMM" at the submitter who didn't read the fracking article.

      The FBI may not track the locations of cell phone users without showing evidence that a crime occurred or is in progress, two federal judges ruled, saying that to do so would violate long-established privacy protections.


      Showing evidence is not proving a crime.
  4. Useless against crime by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the last year or so, cell phone tracking of criminals has lost its value more and more.

    As more cell phone evidence has been submitted in court, the more loopholes have opened up.

    One of my importer/exporter customers already pulls his battery when hitting the road. Before dumping the battery back in, he picks a random sim card. I set every sim card to ring the same voice mail on "Missed Calls" so he can easily find out what he missed.

    No black market businessman is stupid anymore. Hell, there are entire newsletters now offering advice on how to avoid mistakes that might get you in trouble.

  5. Just turn it OFF by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting
    or if you're REALLY paranoid, do one or more of these:

    1. remove battery
    2. wrap in tin foil
    3. "forget it" in neighbours' car

    So if you want to commit a crime and have an alibi, AND frame someone else:

    1. leave your phone turned on at home but with the ringer off
    2. get another phone, clone the sim card of the person you want to frame
    3. just before its time to do the crime, borrow their phone to make a quick call, then TURN IT OFF!
    4. go to the location where you
      1. insert battery into cloned phone
      2. do the nasty deed
      3. make a call to your real cell phone, leave 20 sec of dead air.
      4. remove battery from cloned phone
    5. return home
    "You" have never left home. "They" were at the scene of the crime. If their phone has roaming, and it was out of their primary area, their cell bill will "prove" they were there with the call to your phone. You==alibi, them==fucked.
    1. Re:Just turn it OFF by j1mmy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not quite. All cellphones have this thing called an IMEI number, which is unique per phone. It's also broadcast to the cellular network.

  6. Explaination and link to one decision. by will_die · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is the New York decisions.

    Unfonatly that link in the OP is very lacking on specific and explaining some details. Here is a quick description and judges reasoning.
    1) the FBI asked for the cell towers used so they would have a rough idea of the location the person was located.
    2) In most cases this has been easy to get since the Supreme Court has declared that a person has no expectation of privacy with the numbers that are dialed so also as the FBI says the information is relavent the courts allow easy access. The FBI claims that the tower being used for "control codes" is at the same level of expected privacy as phone number, they also used some other laws such as the Stored Communication Act to prove they should have that level of access.
    3) in the New York case the judges ruled that this was not the case and the tower being used is different. "When the government seeks to turn a mobile telephone into a means for contemporaneously tracking the movements of its user, the delicately balanced compromise that Congress has forged between effective law enforcement and individual privacy requires a showing of probable cause,"

    So it looks like Congress will probaly need to give some more specifications on what they mean.

  7. They'll adapt the al-Qaida way by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Terrorists will simply adapt the Al-Qaida way. That is, horse-back or any primitive means. The FBI seems to think that terrorists are stupid. This is way we have failed to capture Bin Laden even after spending close to $1.3 billion in efforts to find him.

    If one writes about possible rains or a harvest or even congratulates somebody for fathering a child, yet the actual meaning behind this is a facilitation of terrorist activity, this is very dangerous. This is the Al-Qaida way. We as Americans cannot succeed in such an environment.

    That is why for example, IEDs are exploding daily, killing and maiming our GIs despite the fact that Baghdad was "combed" by coalition forces. To me, this is a wasted effort by the FBI. They should devise more effective means to deliver.

  8. Re:Oh nothing officer, just some innocent skulking by dada21 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a business owner, even if you have no criminal intent, you have way more reason to hide your tracks.

    There are so many conflicting or vague laws on the books. Now that years of your past can be discovered with a click, and jury nullification practically illegal, any future mistake might be wrangled into a harsher penalty through digging by our crazed public prosecutors.

    I've seen many innocent and honest people go to jail over an accountant's error. I've seen bail withheld in a tariff case because the distributor bought locally-made products containing 'tainted' products, and the feds dug up evidence of past sales online that MIGHT have been illegal.

    RICO, PATRIOT, Magic Lantern, EPIC and other legal tools are used hundreds of times more against non-criminals. If you're seeing slow business or are broke, dump F/OSS and help people express their fourth amendment rights. You'll never go hungry again.

  9. Re:Oh nothing officer, just some innocent skulking by lordkuri · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have to ask: what's this guy hiding from?

    I have to ask: why is it that someone that wants his privacy, and takes steps to ensure it, automatically "hiding from somthing"?

    What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

  10. Re:Battery by dada21 · · Score: 4, Informative

    No batteries, SIM cards.

    I recently found a huge phone company selling 5000 $50 prepaid SIM cards for $50,000 with NOTHING MORE than filling out a form that isn't verified. $50,000 gets you 5000 anonymous sim cards with nearly 500,000 minutes. $1500 cash gets you 100 used phones with 100 IMEI numbers.

    So a gang has nothing to worry about, yet an innocent person can easily break hundreds of laws without realizing it.

    I'm no tin foil conspiracy theorist, but I work 2 days a month near a federal courthouse and love to sit in on trials. Sit through just one and you'll never vote again.

  11. Want More Rulings Like This? by Landaras · · Score: 4, Informative

    Want more rulings like this?

    Donate to the EFF They wrote briefs for these cases.

    Remember: the rights you save may be your own.

    - Neil Wehneman

    P.S. More information is at the EFF coverage of the cases.

  12. Re:OR.. they are a terrorist? by v1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually not true. The president (and maybe others?) has the authority to label a person or a group as "enemy combatants". At that point it does not matter WHO you are. You can be a tourist from Europe, a 4th generation Texan, or the Czar of Russia, it really does not matter. Once you are an Enemy Combatant, you are nobody. They can kill you, lock you up and throw away the key, and basically you have no rights. No right to habeus corpus (sp?), no right of attourney, no right of trial by jury, and certainly no right to a speedy trial. Your life and fredom is their whim at that point.

    Because of this, no one has guaranteed fredom or guaranteed rights in the US anymore. With those two words all your rights get taken away and you just basically don't exist anymore. There is no appeal, no review, no limits. If it happens to you, there is simply nothing anyone can do to help you. To say someone has rights, EXCEPT if someone decides they don't, means you never had any rights to begin with. Anything so easily taken away does not truly exist.

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