GORM 1.0 Release to Take on GNOME/KDE?

qa'lth writes "Today marks the occasion of the release of Gorm 1.0, the Interface Builder for the GNUstep project, and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects. Finally, today, Free Software users can enjoy the power of a well-designed, powerful object-oriented system derived from OpenStep, legacy to the acclaimed MacOSX, through GNUstep, our loving reimplementation of the OpenStep standard."

Comments

Riiight.

[coolGuyZak]

with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects

Riiight. 'Nuff Said.

Re:Riiight.

[molnarcs]

Yeah - I don't know which is worse: 1) making such claims just for publicity (flamebait?) 2) or truly believing in it. In either case, the first screenshot you bump into will discredit their claim immediately. Compare it with anything trolltech has to offer with qt4 (or kde4's plasma efforts, koffice kids, etc.) and their development tools... I don't mention GNOME development tools because I'm not familiar with them, but I don't think they will be "obsoleted" either.

Re:Riiight.

[wangmaster]

I love it. I swear people take these things way too seriously. I get the feeling that the vast majority of people on slashdot are computer geeks with no social skills, hence the inability to get a joke.

That said, the OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP UI has largely been considered one of the most elegant and usable interfaces to have been created. It's extremely intuitive, and while the GNUSTEP work isn't there yet, the "completion" of Gorm.app is a very good sign, as the interface builder is the foundation to creating the wonderful UI of classic NeXT applications. NeXT spent a ton of money hiring some of the best UI designers in the world, and the UI shows it. People laud over OS X's ability to hide the Unix from the newbie user, but I don't think many of them know that this had existed since the '90s beginning with NEXTSTEP.

Apple broke alot of the inherent intuitiveness of the NeXT UI when they moved to OS X, which isn't necessarly bad though, as intuitiveness != familiarity and their changes were mainly to make existing Mac OS users comfortable.

I'm impressed that the GNUStep project is still able to have milestones like this.

Re:Riiight.

[Archibald Buttle]

Yes folks.

As we all know, how pretty your user interface looks is the best barometer of how easy it is to use, how simple it is to program for, how much leverage applications get from the underlying API, and how powerful applications written using the underlying toolkit will be.

American readers should append the word "NOT" onto the end of the last paragraph.

Gorm and GNUstep are mostly about the underlying API. It's possible to rapidly build incredibly powerful applications using Gorm - significantly faster than you can with the KDE or GNOME toolkits.

who cares

[Anonymous Coward]

How about decent and WORKING drag and drop?

everyone is busy with eye candy and other useless add-ons and ignore basic operability and useability.

Re:who cares

[ScootyPuffJr]

I disagree here. Drag and drop can be incredibly intuitive if it's implemented in a sensible way.

I use drag and drop a lot when using Mac OS X simply because it works so well. Dragging files to the trash, dragging files to applications to open them, dragging images off web pages to save them etc.. it just comes naturally after a while (whereas digging through menus to find features like that has to be learnt every time). And with Exposé, you never need to rearrange windows.

Just because Windows (and therefore Linux, as sadly the linux desktops have heavily copied windows as opposed to OS X) can't do drag and drop effectively doesn't mean it's inviable. It just means that it's been made inviable through poor design.

-1 Flamebait

[ticklejw]

So why can't we moderate articles too?

Re:Lighten up

[molnarcs]

"They GNUStep guy announcing this was just trying to have some fun, why the hell to people get some riled up"

Because, incidentally, this is also a good way to create publicity for your pet project. Some would argue that this is page hit "whoring". Not that it is not a legitimate way of creating interest, but I understand those who have issues with this kind of "humor". In all honesty, you have to attribute a very good sense of irony (self-parody?) to the author to take the "joke" - and I don't know him enough to do just that. I don't exclude the possibility that what he said was in jest, but I understand those who get "riled up".

Re:Graphical Object Relationship Modeller

[hunterx11]

Saying that it couldn't be done in C++ sounds like flamebait. A much better (and true) claim would be that Objective-C is the right tool for the job, and C++ absolutely the wrong tool for the job in this instance.

Re:You're close

[gentlemen_loser]

Fuck Mac OS X. I have a Mac and still prefer Gnome or KDE (I have used both extensively and like both). OS X is a sorry excuse for a UNIX.
Good - don't use it then. Sell your Mac on ebay and buy a new Linux box. However, while you are trolling - go take a long look at modern Linux desktops, then go look at OS X. You'll probably be supprised to notice that alot of the "good" functionality in KDE and GNOME was swiped directly from OS X.

It doesn't even have a working native terminal program (one which allows PGUP/PGDN), and Fink's repository is very poorly maintained. Running X apps doesn't work all that great (why don't they show up in the Dock?). Maybe with a huge amount of effort (and buying a few shareware apps), I could get OS X to work how I want it.
That argument is the EXACT argument used by Windows users against Linux in the early days. Why would you do it? To perhaps show your support to a commerical company that IS actually innovating. Oh, and they don't show up in the dock because they were written using a different API and are connecting to a different window SERVER!

But why would I bother when I can have Linux working out-of-box the way I want it? Why would a want a non-free OS when a free one works just as good if not better?
Again - show some support for a company that is innovating.

There are a few apps that are really great on OS X, but that is all I use it for. Linux is my primary OS. Just because all the pussy, wannabe users fled to OS X, doesn't mean that OS X is better. It's better than Windows, but that's about all that can be said for OS X.
I'll call it like I see it here. You must be an l33t h@x0r right??? Go back to high school and do your homework. OS X has a unique and interesting background in NextStep - which is what both AfterStep and Windowmaker (two of my favorite window managers) are open source clones of. I find it ammusing that someone with your mentality is extolling the virtues of Linux and in the same breath praising KDE and Gnome rather than a more lightweight window manager. Your views are an uninformed mishmash of "popular" thoughts without ONE of your own.

This is special. I WISH I had modpoints today. Can someone tell me why my post (see above) is modded as flamebait while this parent is modded as insightful? PLEASE - read the two posts and tell me why. I'd love to know.