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NetBSD 2.1 Released

jschauma writes "NetBSD for everyone! Lots of news regarding new NetBSD releases: On October 31st, 2005, NetBSD 2.0.3, a source-only security update of the NetBSD 2.0 release, was announced. Since many people are still somewhat confused by the new versioning scheme used in NetBSD, this release was preceeded by an explanation of the NetBSD branches. Only two days after the 2.0.3 announcement, on November 2nd, 2005, NetBSD 2.1 was released. NetBSD 2.1 is the first maintenance release of the netbsd-2 release branch, and was announced with binary distributions for 54 architectures. Primary means of distribution include bittorrent." jschauma continues, "Not entirely by coincidence, a number of security advisories was released almost simultaneously, which for the most part have been fixed in these two latest releases. However, since the release engineering process could not be delayed even further, there are three advisories that affect even NetBSD 2.1 -- a security update on this branch (ie NetBSD 2.1.1) is expected to be released very soon as well. Finally, the NetBSD release engineering team also released an update of revised estimate for the release date of NetBSD 3.0, the next major release which will bring a number of new features. Please consider making a tax-deductible (in the US) donation to support NetBSD."

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  1. NetBSD 3.0 by chrysalis · · Score: 3, Informative

    NetBSD 3.0 is also coming in a few weeks (end of November).

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    1. Re:NetBSD 3.0 by ploss · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, give me a more obscure time reference, since that is after the milk in my fridge expires...

      Is that before the bananas on the counter spoil? Or maybe when my bread starts growing mold?

      Get with the program, concrete date references are out of style now!

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  2. Re:Is there by pmike_bauer · · Score: 3, Informative
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  3. Re:You know this is a lame article when... by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 2, Funny
    I guess. It's really a press release - not much to comment on.

    I find a hard time keeping track of all the *BSDs. There's

    OpenBSD

    NetBSD

    FreeBSD

    I also see DeadBSD a lot here on /. Can't find the website to download.

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  4. Poor Bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just think, they get laid about as offten as they reboot. Never.

    1. Re:Poor Bastards by Ezdaloth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Unfortunately it won't work the other way round: rebooting every night doesn't get you (different) girl every time ;)

  5. some... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    MMU-less CPUs and/or itanium (this one has been started i think), s390, FR-V, nec v-850, 64-bit MIPS, super-h, all of them supported by Linux. Of course netbsd also supports lots of architectures that linux doesn't but that doesn't means netbsd supports "everything". Linux also has pretty good support for everything that IBM uses.

    1. Re:some... by alc6379 · · Score: 3, Informative
      I dig up a bit wanting to put it on one of my spare computers...and it doesn't support it. I'm shocked O_o

      Don't believe the hype. That's one of few Powermacs not supported by NetBSD. Want to know why? It's not for lack of want or trying-- the 7200 was, and still is, a bastard child of the Power Macintosh line.

      --Alex
      (Owner of Power Mac 8500s and 8600s that run NetBSD like champs. For extra street-cred, I've installed it successfully on older Mac IIci's, and SE/30's.)

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  6. Re:You can almost hear... by msbsod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Linux.org lists 415 Linux distributions. Four hundred fifteen! Just take the most common ones, like Suse and Red Hat, and exchange executables or configuration files between them. At least you can do that with the listed BSD distributions.

  7. Flamebait? by temojen · · Score: 2, Informative

    I actually have a VAX and no tape drive (nor any machine that could load NetBSD onto a tape drive). Without some way to get NetBSD onto it, it's pretty much a paperweight. I have a Linux box and a SCSI card, so I could install that way, except that doesn't seem to be an option.

  8. *BSD by onetruedabe · · Score: 4, Informative

    I find a hard time keeping track of all the *BSDs.

    There are THREE (not counting DragonFly BSD)

      OpenBSD = Secure
      FreeBSD = Feature-Rich
      NetBSD = Portable (54 Architectures?!)

    Contrast that to the seventeen-jillion Linux distros out there; I hardly think folks can complain about being confused by the overwhelming multitude (NOT!) of BSD derivatives.

    Seriously, though. I like to tell people BSD stands for "Better Stripped Down" 'cuz if you need a small server, running on commodity (read: "used") hardware, BSD will serve you very well.

    You don't want your firewall running OOo, or come standard with seven different mail readers. Lean and mean, that's BSD's selling point.

  9. Re:You can almost hear... by kv9 · · Score: 3, Informative

    who loves BSD! I still do!

    me too! but seriously, i run 2.0.2/current at home on a couple of boxes (along with slackware and *gasp* w2k) and its great. small, stable, elegant, has a wide selection of packages (with stellar management, i might add) and a whole array of nice toys to play with. its strongest point, imho, is the separation of the base system from the extra software, which also goes for the other younger bsds out there.

    in other news pkgsrc on SFU updated, the new pf from obsd/3.8 is getting ported, there is also a kernel emulator for fbsd/5+ and a smbus implementation. matlab works too and some people might be interested in a list of translations for the `of course it runs netbsd' motto.

    what else can be said, its great that *the* bsd is still alive

  10. ...but does it run on Playstation2 Linux Kit? Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
  11. compared to linux? by johansalk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a linux newbie, I'm still learning bash and gnu/posix; what's the advantage of netBSD/BSDs over linux?

    1. Re:compared to linux? by fyoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For servers I can install a minimalist FreeBSD setup very quickly and administer it from the command line. The main OSS server stuff installs on FreeBSD with little if any problem. Perhaps there is a 'Lean Linux' distro that would be similarly suitable. I prefer a popular linux distro like Fedora or Mandriva for the desktop.

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    2. Re:compared to linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The advantage is simply the philosophy difference between the BSD world and the GNU world. For some things, BSDs are faster and more secure. Linux tends to have more hardware support for low end hardware and therefore is good for the 300 dollar dells that people buy. The cheaper your hardware the better. Another oddity with linux is that it runs on really expensive IBM mainframes. Anything in the middle and you're better off with another OS.

      NetBSD's goal is to run on everything but they tend to not include drivers sometimes. Its the fastest OS i've ever used on sparc hardware. I've used linux, netbsd, and often run freebsd. I can tell you that BSDs are administered a bit differently and the ports (pkgsrc i think in netbsd) collection is a god send. Its like gentoo's portage and gentoo is heavily influenced by BSD based oses. If you like gentoo, you'd love to step up to the real thing. Now if you're a redhat GUI i want it to do everything kind of guy stick to fedora, ubuntu, mandrake or the like. They are for the masses. DesktopBSD or several other bsd for the masses projects may someday yield a similar bsd offering.

      In open source land, there's now a selection. Linux (distro list here), FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, OpenDarwin/Darwin, DragonFlyBSD, DesktopBSD (although just freebsd with a gui not a real fork), Solaris/OpenSolaris. Pick based on your needs: hardware support, ease of use, features and how you think. Some people just get system v unix and others prefer bsd. I think most linux distros lean toward system v minus gentoo and solaris is in that camp obviously. Everything else listed is a bsd style os with darwin being the freak mach (richard stallman wishes) version. In case you haven't noticed its a holy war. To summorize, its like asking why linux is better than windows to me. (linux is obviously better) But, there are select few things that windows excels at like running your local game store's games.

      Oh not to confuse you, richard stallman is the guy that made this all possible. His vision is to give everyone NEXTSTEP by duplicating software from 1988 that steve jobs had and rebranding it GNU/Mach GNU/Hurd and using the GNUSTEP and windowmaker software to accomplish his task. Someday we'll have free NEXTSTEP. For now he settles for the Linux kernel which he can't control. If he didn't, he'd have no kernel for his lovely GNU userland.

      So you see the linux system is flawed in one sense.. the kernel is not tied to the userland (software that you run). The advantage is portability and the down side is speed and integration. Its the tossup between linux and every other OS i've listed. Strictly speaking linux is just a kernel and the GNU supplies the rest. There's an effort among the BSD zealots to replace every GNU program with a BSD licensed replacement. Its a big pissing match. You can love linux and not like the GNU and i think most people fall into this category that give kudos to linux. If this weren't true, everyone would be working on GNU/Hurd right now.

      If you have more questions, look at www.gnu.org, www.netbsd.org and www.freebsd.org for more information.

      I have six computers in my home and 4 run bsd derived operating systems. I couldn't be happier with them.

    3. Re:compared to linux? by Morth · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hrm, I sort of agree, but I wouldn't say linux is slower, because it depends very much on what you do. The extra hardware support might also matter, if you have something unusual.

      However, a big advantage of BSD is the base distribution where you get libraries and base tools together with the kernel. There's no risk of a system call existing in the libraries but not in the kernel, and there's no risk of the basic tools being out of sync. Some linux dists are sort of like this too, but it's usually more cumbersome to keep it that way.

      NetBSD is the absolutely cleanest OS source base I've found, which is good for stability. Linux (and even FreeBSD to some extent) tends to be very hackish and bloated (one patch upon another). This is probably due to the review process every patch has to go through, which of course on the other hand leads to a slower development process.

      And finally, it should be mentioned that the licences are different, though it mostly affects distribution and not usage.

  12. Netboot? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Guess you missed the install document detailing how to netboot a VAX.

    http://vaxarchive.pimpworks.org/swdist/bsd/bdc/VAX -netboot-HOWTO.html

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  13. just like the working stiffs then by toby · · Score: 2, Funny
    "writing code others will get rich [from]" -- sounds like a perfect description of any ordinary proprietary commercial programmer to me. Those guys don't get showered in gold, and rarely even recognition outside their cubicle farm.

    However, if you are trying to draw a distinction between the BSD license and a free license such as the GPL, you might have a point.

    But then there's always that slim, slim chance you have neither a point, nor a clue how open source works.

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  14. Re:abcd by laffer1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't switch exactly, but each bsd seems to have a niche on certain hardware. NetBSD is the fastest os i've ever used on sparc hardware and openbsd runs great on g3 macs. I tend to run FreeBSD on ia32 hardware.

  15. Re:NetBSD over FreeBSD? by laffer1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    NetBSD is very fast for certain operations and is often used in networking research (internet2, ipv6, etc). If you don't have an SMP box or hyperthreading its quite fast and in my opinion the best os on sparc architectures. The ports system is a bit different. They have something called pkgsrc thats portable across operating systems. All bsds have a twist on the ports collection really. Its a big factor in choosing.

    I'm a FreeBSD user primarily and I think NetBSD has some good points like major portability. I think they do more testing and its generally a more stable OS. FreeBSD 6.0 release should fix most of the recent problems. Think of NetBSD like a continuation of FreeBSD 4.x more. There are a lot of differences, but mostly small things. FreeBSD 5 and 6 are attempts to improve dual core, SMP, and hyperthreading based computers in the long haul.

    NetBSD and FreeBSD people don't tend to get along simply becuase there's real competition lately between the two projects. Both are great operating systems and I think both are good at different tasks. If you plan on running a bsd on non ia32 hardware, definetely check out NetBSD. It might be worth trying it just to see if there are any unique features. If you are a programmer and like freebsd more, you can help out and add some of the great netbsd features to freebsd or vise versa.

  16. Gross Misrepresentation of GNU by amightywind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So you see the linux system is flawed in one sense.. the kernel is not tied to the userland (software that you run).

    You don't know what you are talking about. Both BSD and Linux interface with 'userland' the same ways, through device drivers and the C library.

    There's an effort among the BSD zealots to replace every GNU program with a BSD licensed replacement.

    Such people are in the minority. The GNU Core Utilities are generally regarded as superior to their BSD counterparts. Indeed it was the builtin limitations of BSD utilities motivated many of the standards to which GNU software is written. May I also point out that BSD uses the GNU compiler stack. It won't be easy to purge BSD of that, unless you still fancy programming in old style C on the PDP-11.

    Its a big pissing match. You can love linux and not like the GNU and i think most people fall into this category that give kudos to linux.

    The only ones left pissing are the BSD fanboys. The GNU/Linux folks are too busy.

    If this weren't true, everyone would be working on GNU/Hurd right now.

    Stallman himself has said that he wouldn't have pursued Hurd if the Linux kernel has been available when the Hurd project was launched. There is no controversy.

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