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1up has a piece today on the backbone of the gaming zeitgeist: online comics. From PA to 8-Bit Theatre, they have thoughts on all of them. From the article: "The 'real' origin of game-based comics came in May 1998, when Scott Kurtz started Player vs. Player, a strip based around the office hijinks at a video game magazine. Hosted at MPOG.com, like Polymer City Chronicles, early PvP reflects its origins as a lighthearted way to lampoon games in the context of a larger gaming-focused publication. Some of the earliest gaming webcomics were started in a similar fashion; Penny Arcade, for example, was originally conceived and submitted as a strip for Loonygames."

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  1. Misleading title by penguin_asylum · · Score: 3, Funny

    The title really had me looking forward to reading the article...

    1. Re:Misleading title by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny

      I felt the same way after a friendd took me to a Bare Naked Ladies concert. Three lies in one name.

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    2. Re:Misleading title by clintp · · Score: 2, Funny

      ObSimpsons References:

      Movie, Naked Lunch -- Nelson: "I can think of two things wrong with that title"
      Store, "Stoner's Pot Palace" -- Otto: "Man, that is flagrant false advertising!"

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    3. Re:Misleading title by Nivoset · · Score: 1

      would you rather just have the last word false advertizing?

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  2. only 2 comments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a shame nobody cares about comics these days, comics rock!

  3. What about Howard & Nester? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was in the late 80s... before 1998!

  4. Re:I hate PA. by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They sold out? How's that? By wanting to make money?

    The horrible people wanted to make money doing their jobs? How TERRIBLE!

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  5. Don't think too much about it by AvantLegion · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Sold out" is one of those things people say when they don't have any intelligent criticism to offer.

    1. Re:Don't think too much about it by Meagermanx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's also what they say about a band when people like them.
      Or what they say about a band when they make different kinds of music, even though you'd think making the same kind of music over and over would be 'selling out'.

    2. Re:Don't think too much about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      The grandparent likes VG Cats right now, but Scott Ramsoomair is making T-shirt and misc swag based on his comic, so pretty soon, he'll have sold out too (if he doesn't already fit the grandparent's definition of "sold out"), and then I expect the grandparent will start liking a sprite comic, but not 8bit or Bob and George, because they're popular and they've sold out too. No, it will be a sprite comic so obscure it'll be based on a small-release game from the 80s on the Famicom (Not the NES, lamers) and he'll think he's cool all over again because he was "there from the start".

      Fight the power! Stop reading web comics when it becomes self-supporting, if not...*SCREAM OF HORROR!!!!* p-p-p-profitable! XO /sarcasm

    3. Re:Don't think too much about it by thebdj · · Score: 1

      Actually looking around both sites I see about an equal amount of ads for their individual merchandise. Actually, I see more ads per page for not site related materials on VGCats then on PA. I mean seriously, from what I can tell the nice people bringing us both strips seem to like each other, and better yet VGCats even has a link on their main page to PA's Charity.

      Everyone seems to be complaining that your argument against PA is that they sold out. Not only do you use an ill-defined term that will get you about 20 different definitions from 20 people, but you also do not address anything relevant to the people, the site or the comic.

      People would be a bit less harsh to you if you actually stated a point instead of simply saying, the suck because they sold out. Do you dislike their drawing style? Do you find the comics un-funny? Did they bull you in high school? Seriously, provide logical argument and then when people start replying back with lines like, no you suck, then you can say that you have pulled the fanboys from their holes.

      As it looks, it seems we found us the VGCats fanboy, because he has done nothing to rationalize his attack on PA.

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    4. Re:Don't think too much about it by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
      Varying reasons, but same thing: they have nothing intelligent to offer.

  6. Actually PvP was not the first... by AutopsyReport · · Score: 1
    I recall Dank & Scud (for those of you who Quake'd way back then) as a comic based on a video game being made back in 1996, not long after Quake was released. Check it out here, and for a date reference, see this article written in Nov. 96.

    So I'd definetely wager that PvP was not the first... good ol' Dank and Scud were veterans by the time the other comics started swinging.

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  7. PvP Wasn't the First Comic by TarrVetus · · Score: 3, Informative
    The 'real' origin of game-based comics came in May 1998, when Scott Kurtz started Player vs. Player, a strip based around the office hijinks at a video game magazine.


    Wrong. Dead wrong. My proof? Howard and Nester (http://hn.iodized.net/main.htm), a comic which successfully ran in Nintendo Power for several years in the late 1980's and early 1990's.

    And while Howard and Nester predates PvP by 10 years, I'm almost positive it wasn't the first of its kind, either.
    1. Re:PvP Wasn't the First Comic by The+Kow · · Score: 2

      I think the context is web-based gaming comics, so you should probably just let this one go.

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    2. Re:PvP Wasn't the First Comic by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      Then consider web-based comic Dank and Scud, which was both machina (of Quake) and a web-based comic in 1996.

      http://riad.usk.pk.edu.pl/~pmj/quakecomics/

    3. Re:PvP Wasn't the First Comic by Soybean47 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a misleading excerpt. If you RTFA, they're not claiming that PVP was literally the first gaming comic... note the quotes around "real". They even mention one that came earlier. The claim in the article is that PVP was the first one that mattered, or something along those lines. The "real" beginning of the current crop of gaming webcomics. Or...you know... something like that. I don't really know what they're getting at there, but the statement is clearly not meant to be taken literally.

  8. Re:I hate PA. by Chemical · · Score: 1

    Ob South Park quote:
    "If you work in the entertainment business and you make money, you're a sellout!"

  9. Arg, type-o in article. by gmezero · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've already written to the editors, to fix the errors at the beginning of the article:

    In the third paragraph, it is stated that PCC started off in 1995 on MPOG.COM, that is wrong. It started out on the web on GameZero.com in 1995. It only ran on MPOG for a short stint from mid-2000 to mid-2001.

    And only the archives for the current storyline date back to 2000. For previous strips dating back to the start you need to visit the pre-2000, older archives on the Game Zero site at:
    http://www.gamezero.com/team-0/comics/

    Please see wiki for clarification:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_City_Chronicl es#Basic_Chronology

    Sigh...

  10. Re:I hate PA. by Headcase88 · · Score: 1

    "Dude, you're working for a corporation, you're a total sell out!"

    "Man, you're spending all your time and money working on your business instead of hanging out with us, you're a sellout."

    "Dude, you're bumming off of welfare and mooching off of us. You're such a sellout."

    "Dude, ever since you became rich and famous, you forgot who you are. You've really sold out."

    "Man, commiting suicide because every other option would label you a sell out? That's the easy way out, you're a sell out."

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  11. The article is about online gaming comics. by gmezero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you want to just cover "gaming comics" in general. Nintendo had one, Famitsu had a couple (I love the strip were it turns out that Wario is actually Luigi in disguise, getting revenge for all those years of Mario getting all the credit), GameFan had one... and there were about a billion others. Heck Atari published Atari Force under DC Comics in 1982 when Nintendo was nothing but a Game'n'Watch fad in the U.S.

  12. It's serving it's purpose. by gmezero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's a promotional piece designed to drive traffic to their new comics portal.

  13. Re:I hate PA. by Anthony · · Score: 1

    I like an interview I saw with "The Clash" who, when asked about selling out said (paraphrase) "Selling out is great, it means that the fans like our shows".

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  14. How much does that weigh? Ham! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Penny Arcade sucks ass. Doubly so now becasue they sold out.

    That's becuase it's not for you.

  15. Next Gen, not Loony by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

    Actually, the real first intentions for Penny Arcade was to submit two sample strips to Next Generation (or perhaps it was different mag?), then when they didn't win the contest, they decided to keep making strips and that's when Loonygames started hosting them. I've been reading PA since their 4th strip was ever released ;)

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  16. 8-Bit Theater by Pluvius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember posting on the 8BT forum once that the only reason the comic was worth reading is that it's a goofball retelling of the original Final Fantasy story with twisted renditions of the main characters; if the comic was about something else, even if it only changed over to a more generic fantasy story, it would no longer be funny because then it would rely entirely on its repetitive, often ripped-off jokes to come across to the reader. The other people on the forum, being fanboys, of course ripped into me for stating that opinion. But imagine my surprise when the creator himself admits as much in this article!

    So it's perhaps inevitable that the writing would be a secondary concern, and the humor is often far more repetitive than the art. To compensate for this, Clevinger begun focusing more on story than jokes some time ago, but as a rule the quality of the writing hasn't become any sharper. A large component of the strip's popularity is love for the characters Clevinger uses, something he acknowledges when he says "I've lost count of how many e-mails I've gotten from fans thanking me for reminding them how much they loved the original Final Fantasy."

    Some people just can't handle the truth, I guess.

    Rob

  17. Re:8-bit theater by fwitness · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Read the bottom of the page. It's a work of parody, fully lawful in the U.S. That's why you can have Saturday Night Live product/commercial spoofs. It's a crack in the law that allows us to continue our normal lives without fear of being sued if we say "Pepsi" in a sentence.

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  18. The Game Comic Revolution by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

    The Revolution only truly came with Bob and George, the first sprite comic!

    Hey, look, it's Mega Man!

    ZOINK!

    1. Re:The Game Comic Revolution by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected, BTW. Bob and George is merely the inspiration for most sprite comics afterwards.

  19. backbone? by Tedium+Unleased · · Score: 1

    as a diehard gamer, i don't read any of that shite.. face it PA sucks.. out of a month's worth of comics they have maybe one or two borderline funny. PA is like the HBO of comics, cheaply put together trying to exploit the novelty of cursing every other word.. except guess what, it's not a novelty, fucktards.

  20. Re:8-bit theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SNL doesn't make 90% of its entire episode by stealing artwork from other shows. It also doesn't sell merchandise with drawings of characters from those other shows.