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Intel Roadmap Update: The Art of Naming Processors

THG writes "CoolTechZone.com has compiled a list of Intel processors from its roadmaps, and discusses Intel's naming convention. According to the article, 'Gone are the days when processor names were something as simple as their clock speeds. If you wanted a nice and powerful 3GHz processor, you simply asked for a P4 3.0GHz and that was it. Ever since Intel has decided to revamp its naming conventions, the confusion makes you wonder if the whole idea of renaming was a smart move. Moving on with Intel and it's desktop endeavors, the problem is that if the names were as simple as stated above, we would've somehow managed to figure them all out. But someone at Intel obviously wanted to ensure that we don't remember processor names without having a 100-page manual on product families, so there are modifications to each series, which may or may not be consistent across different series.'"

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  1. Intel's naming scheme is convenient by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually I like Intel's complicated scheme; instead of looking up which CPU is which I just remember to go buy an AMD processor instead. Probably not what Intel had in mind when they came up with an overly complicated naming scheme however.

    1. Re:Intel's naming scheme is convenient by Nik13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      AMD's naming system may not be the best, but I like their rating system. Clueless n00bs have been complaining that they were "cheating" by not giving the actual clock speed (which alone means very little). You can tell approximately how much faster is a specific chip over another one they sell using that (and an equivalent P4 somewhat). It's not totally accurate, but you know a 4200+ will be about twice as fast as my old Athlon XP 2100+ or a P4 2.0GHz. Anyone can buy a chip using a system like that.

      Whereas with the current Intel chips... Model numbers (a 519? how fast is that really?), different sockets, different FSBs, different cache sizes, different cores, different intructions sets (SS3 or not, EMT64 or not), dual core or not... You can't easily tell how fast one is over the other ones (nor can you tell easily which ones run cooler). They're finally victim of their own GHz ratings and they got nothing to go by anymore (as a measure of relative speed) it seems. Unless you're following their offerings closely (most people aren't), then it's pretty hard to pick one.

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    2. Re:Intel's naming scheme is convenient by LurkerXXX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Umm, that's good and all for the Athlon XP and 64 series, but could you please tell me how an Opteron 148 compares to a 175 or a 240?

  2. Why would you want a 3Ghz CPU? by temojen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't you be more concerned with the performance than a specific clock speed? This is of course assuming you're not using it as a RF source or something.

  3. All Intel has been doing... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    ... is take a few letters or a small word and add "ium" to it. They had a chip which gave off a musky odour but was irresistable. Unfortunately the "Cuntium" never made it out of the lab.

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    1. Re:All Intel has been doing... by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a female, I take offense to this. I believe the smell is closer to tuna fish. :)

    2. Re:All Intel has been doing... by ettlz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just remember: Arctic Silver is not a lubricant.

    3. Re:All Intel has been doing... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 5, Funny

      As a female, I take offense to this. I believe the smell is closer to tuna fish. :)

      As an enthusiastically straight male, I believe I've had my nose closer to the source than the typical female has.

      Assuming no foreign matter found its way into the cleanroom, I would agree that musk is a better description of the scent.

    4. Re:All Intel has been doing... by ettlz · · Score: 3, Funny
      I would agree that musk is a better description of the scent.

      I believe you've just saved many a Slashdotter from an embarrassing situation involving a tin of sweetcorn and a jar of mayonnaise.

  4. Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is only going to get more and more confusing with multi-core. Users are going to have to distinguish not only based on clock speed, but number of processors, and with HT (number of logical processors). Add to that the fact that it is unclear what advantages these multiple cores have with current client operating systems, given that there aren't too many true multi-threaded applications out there, and this becomes bewildering for even a savvy consumer.

  5. Real speed != clock speed by JimBowen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason for scrapping clock speeds in favour of these 'strange' naming conventions is not confusion, it is to help people realise that clock speed does NOT indicate how fast a processor is.
    If people thought that a 3GHz celeron is as fast as a 3GHz P4 with HT, or indeed a 3GHz Athlon64, then they would be very confused indeed.
    Many people did think this though, before the new naming conventions applied, so I think it is a good thing.

  6. I thought they used... by sczimme · · Score: 5, Funny


    I thought Intel just put a regional map over a dart board:

    *thunk* - "Williamette"

    *thunk* - "Tillamook"

    et cetera, et cetera

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    1. Re:I thought they used... by JeremyALogan · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's worth mentioning (for the uninitiated) that the parent is refering to areas in and around Portland, OR. Intel's main campus is in one of the Portland suburbs. Some of the names they've used so far (off the top of my head):

      Willamette - A river in Oregon. Runs north-south through Portland.
      Prescott - A city in Oregon. Also a major street in North and North East Portland.
      Madison - A street in Portland... not sure it it's much else...
      Tualatin - A sothern suburb of Portland. Also a street in Portland.
      McKinley - A city in Oregon.

      Tillamook is a town in western Oregon known for it's cheese factory. ALSO a street in Portland :)

  7. The loser always wants to hide. by r00t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are behind in GHz, avoid discussing it.

    If you are behind in benchmarks, avoid discussing it. (Look! GHz!)

    If you are behind in low-power, avoid discussing it.

    If your expensive flagship "server" CPU is only 2% faster
    than the gamer version, avoid discussing EVERYTHING that
    could possibly matter.

    Grrrr.... I wish I could force them to include SPEC benchmark
    numbers in the processor names. Put the lowest number first,
    then a "-", and then the highest number. Slimy bastards always
    hide from the light.

  8. Intel's naming scheme has been fucked up since... by Caspian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...the "Pentium Pro".

    'Pentium' derives from 'penta'-- i.e. FIVE, as in "five-eighty-six", as in 80586-- the successor to the four-eighty-six.

    That made sense. Kinda.

    But then Intel designed the six-eighty-six, and instead of "Hexium" (or, Allah/Yahweh/Zeus/Vishnu/InvisiblePinkUnicorn/Flyi ngSpaghettiMonster-forbid, "Sexium"!), they called it the "Pentium Pro". So, evidently, the number six was then redefined as "Five Pro".

    Then Intel kept improving (well, or at least adding to) the 686 design, but not only did they never label any of these newer-gen chips the 80786, 80886, 80986, etc., but they kept the goddamned 'Pentium' brand.

    This makes perfect sense from a marketing (read: "a suit's") perspective, but absolutely no mathematical or logical sense.

    If Intel invented counting, we'd all count something like this:

    "Zero, zero, one, two, three, four, five, five pro, five II, five II point xeon, five III, five III point xeon, five IV, five IV point xeon, five IV extreme edition, five M..."

    Of course, this isn't all that different from the convoluted way the French count... ;)

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  9. ye good olde days of chip numbers by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Informative
    In the olden days, we didn't even have words. It was 8086, 8087, 80286, 80287, etc. No Optiums or Penturons back then.

    Trademark issues drove Intel to make up processor names -- Intel couldn't stop competitors from selling non-Intel 80486 chips because chip numbering was a generic identification scheme in the electronics industry.

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  10. All this naming confusion by n6kuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..makes me reach for my Nexium.

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  11. Code Names by SmartSsa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Code names are just as bad as the official part numbers.

    However, if you haven't figured out already, Intel is moving away from directly selling CPUs based on their speeds and starting to bundle 'Platforms.'

    This started mostly with Centrino (the platform), since it's not a CPU. And is now continuing into the Desktop and Server marketspaces.

    It's their hopes that end users won't ask for "pentium 4!" but rather (insert catchy platform name here). It's worked well with Laptops. People want Centrino! And it'll likely work with Desktops, but probably not so much servers.

    With that their naming conventions for individual parts are also going to get even more screwy...

    But, on the other hand, Intel is not the only one to have evil codenames. They, as well as their competators, should just stick with sequential numbering so one can say "higher number is newer!"

  12. SPEC is not ideal by vlad_petric · · Score: 3, Informative
    Two problems with it:
    • not really indicative of anything. Some of the workloads in SPEC are what a unix hacker would run (perl,gcc,bzip/gzip), but most other are very obscure pieces of software.
    • "good at SPEC" is totally different from "good at server workloads". The former are generally CPU-bound, whereas the latter - memory bound (so for the former you want high clock and high machine width, for the latter, however, you want sh*tloads of caches). Also "good at SPEC" is different from "good at media" (the reasons are more complex)
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  13. Intel is being evasive about true performance by tomcres · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The problem is that Intel is using an arbitrary numbering scheme which has absolutely nothing to do with any objective measure of performance. Their numbers simply refer to the relative number of features and relative speed of processors within the same family. This makes it impossible to compare processors across different brands. A Celeron-D 560 is not going to necessarily be as fast as a Pentium-D 320, but you'd never know by the numbers. On top of which, you'd never know that the -D in Celeron-D is for "desktop" whereas the -D in Pentium-D is for "dual-core." Of course, we techies know this, but this is Intel's way of deliberately misleading consumers.

    AMD, on the other hand, uses a P-number which is directly comparable across processor lines and uses an established standard of a 1GHz Athlon Thunderbird = P1000. Everything else is relative to that. So you know right off the bat that an Athlon64 3000+ is only marginally faster than a Sempron 2800+, you don't have to play games like with Intel.

  14. It's irrelevant by drsmithy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The only people who really care about a processor's specifics (bus speeds, cache sizes, clock speed, etc) are techies. Techies don't just walk into a store, grab a CPU off the shelf and pay for it. They actually research what they're buying and decide on what they want to buy *long* before they actually begin th purchasing process. So, since it's easy to find out which marketing names match up with which processor features, it doesn't really matter what their marketing names are.

    Added to that, any techie for which it's a matter of importance (eg: the bloke at your local computer fixit shop, 14 year old gamerz) will have memorised which marketing name has which processor features within hours of them being released, lest they not appear to be l33t enough.

    Everyone else just picks a price point and then buys whichever machine is at that price point the salesman tells them is best.

  15. 88, translated from the French by r00t · · Score: 4, Funny

    88 is this: "four twenties ten eight"

    WTF? I'd riot too if I had to deal with that. It's almost like Roman numerals!

  16. Re:And, yet, people continue to use P4's... by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 3, Informative
    Today I was at a meeting discussing computing issues for numerical simulations of particle physics being done on computers at CERN.
    [...]
    Nonetheless... on all the machines I've used there, /proc/cpuinfo says they're running P4's or P4-based Xeons. Wouldn't running Athlon 64's or Opterons (in 64-bit mode, since they're all on Linux) give better performance and less heat?

    That depends on their code. Numerical simulations are mostly floating point that's often quite vectorizable. In that case, they could be using SSE2 quite a bit, which generally works better on the Intel chips -- but they probably won't get much benefit from this unless they're hand-optimizing at least a few of their inner loops. Most compilers can do some automatic vectorization, but they don't make good enough use of the capability to overcome the Intel chip's shortcomings elsewhere, as a rule.

    OTOH, if they're doing a lot of vector math, they'd probably get considerably better performance still by writing the code to execute on the GPU instead. The obvious shortcoming of that would be accuracy problems -- the GPU's floating point is engineered far more to maximize speed than accuracy.

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