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Spyware Maker Sues Detection Firm

Luigi30 writes "ZDnet reports that RetroCoder, makers of the SpyMon remote monitoring program, are suing Sunbelt Software, makers of ConterSpy, a spyware detector program, for detecting the SpyMon as spyware. According to the EULA, SpyMon can not be used in 'anti-spyware research,' and detecting it is therefore a violation of it. 'In order to add our product to their list, they must have downloaded it and then examined it. These actions are forbidden by the notice,' a RetroCoder spokesperson said."

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  1. Hasn't a crime been commited by Sunbelt? by doubledutchdesigns · · Score: 5, Informative

    Retrocoder Limited has NOT threatened to sue Sunbelt - we are currently looking at what legal options we have to defend our product.

    This is a copy of the text sent to Sunbelt:

    "If you read the copyright agreement when you downloaded or ran our
    program you will see that Anti-spyware publishers/software houses
    are NOT allowed to download, run or examine the software in any
    way. By doing so you are breaking EU copyright law, this is a criminal
    offence. Please remove our program from your detection list or we will
    be forced to take action against you."

    The action will be that we may be (in our opinion) forced to get the UK police authorities involved with Sunbelt over copyright theft. This is a criminal offence, not a civil one I believe.

    Retrocoder Limited as the copyright holder, has the right to say who may or may not have its program. If someone has its program without permission, are they not guilty of a criminal offence?

    For example, if you have a copy of Windows without MicroSofts permission, is this not a crime?

    Below is a copy of the text sent to Joris Evers (who wrote the original article from it):

    "As you can see, at the moment it is just a warning to them to stop
    blacklisting the program. Our program is not a "trojan" or "virus",
    it is used to keep a remote "eye" on your kids or employees. The user
    must have access to the users machine in order to install the client.
    Only the installer of the program can view the client machine. Our
    program does not attempt to bypass firewalls or other such protection.

    This is very different from "trojans" and "viruses" - they replicate
    themselves and spread uncontrollably, you do not usually need direct
    access to the users machine. They often try to bypass firewalls in
    order to "reach" the internet.

    Our problem is that companies like Sunbelt do not properly look at
    software before they blacklist it. They clearly ignored legally
    enforceable warnings that what they would be doing is not allowed by
    the copyright holder. This shows that either they do not examine
    programs properly or that they ignore copyright law. In order to add
    our product to their trojan/virus list they must have downloaded it
    and then examined it. Both of these actions are forbidden by the
    copyright notice.

    A similar situation arose with Grisoft with the AVG product. We sent
    a similar warning letter out to them and they responded by removing
    our programs from their blacklist. This resolved the situation and no
    further action has been taken.

    I will be consulting with our solicitor in the next few weeks about
    companies like Sunbelt, what civil/criminal laws have been broken, and
    how best to involve the UK Police authorities in action against them."