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Meet the Man Who Will Save the Internet

UltimaGuy writes to tell us The Register is running an interesting piece about Masood Khan, chairman of the sub-committee that is takling many of the difficult questions about internet governance. Mr. Khan has been able to draw enormous respect for many of the participatory nations and seems to have a very direct style of management. From the article: "I would encourage you all not to focus on general themes of internet governance but instead go to the heart of the matter," were Khan's opening words. And then he listed them. "The question of a future mechanism, the question of oversight, and the paradigm of co-operation amongst all stakeholders."

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  1. Cant.... Resist.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Khaaaan!

    There, now that I got that out of the way we can have a decent discussion here!

    1. Re:Cant.... Resist.... by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He's going to save the internet by assisting with getting all the regulators and governments to "cooperate" together on it? How is that a good thing? That's like asking if you want a shit sandwhich or a piss cola. How about NO regulation or governance like the last few decades (essentially)?

      The only thing worse than 161 governments trying to fight each other for "control of the internet" is 161 governments cooperating to "control the internet".

    2. Re:Cant.... Resist.... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly.

      If this guy actually got 161 governments to sit down and actually work together on something, I would be deeply, deeply concerned. Given that the average government official is probably in bed with so many different corporations and special interests (and it might not even be illegal or frowned upon in their countries, so it's not like we have much recourse) anything that they'd sit down and turn out is ultimately going to be terrible for users.

      In my more morose moods I have this feeling that I'm going to some day be sitting around and telling my grandkids about how the Internet used to be, back in those wild, turn-of-the-century days, before everything was regulated and monitored to death; in the same way that I remember him telling me once about a time when you could buy a car and drive it around without a license to do so, or bolting a metal identification plate onto the bumper.

      Governments are a sophisticated protection racket. You trade them some freedoms, in return they offer you some protection against our more cruel and brutish impulses and in theory allow us to live more pleasant lives. But with the Internet, there's currently nothing that we need protecting from and if we allow it to be regulated, we will have just given something away for nothing -- and it's not something we're ever likely to get back.

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  2. Save or enslave? by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet despite hundreds of hours of talks, three preparatory meetings and a world summit, there is only one thing that the world's governments can agree on:

    That the governments of the world have the least knowledge in how to save anything, and the World Government is even worse.

    the internet is five days away from total collapse as governments are finally forced into a corner and told to agree on a framework for future Internet governance.

    Bull. Shit.

    The Internet is not one procedure to distribute information. It is HTML, DNS, BitTorrent, even Real Audio. None of these standards are government regulated, they're free market regulated. The users, en masse, decide what format will succeed. The only change government entices is when a popular company gets sued out of sight (Grokster, etc).

    Standards will rise and fall faster than any government can rule on changes. Old standards literally DIE. Old laws come back to be unearthed by future tyrants

    there is a very real risk that an enormous political argument resulting in lifelong ill-will centred around the internet could developed unchecked at the WSIS Summit.

    Good. Nothing makes me happier than multiple governments grabbing the rulers, dropping their pants, and realizing none have anything to measure.

    how the world will deal with issues such as spam and cybercrime.

    Let every ISP decide. The competition will allow the creation of new ways to excel.

    Masood Khan has turned what could easily have become a bar-room brawl into a gradual formation of agreement.

    One politician breathing hot air to others, putting all into a head nodding "we can all control our citizens equally" concert.

    Having chaired dozens of meetings as a careful and unthreatening facilitator, Mr Khan saw his chance and went for it.

    "We are from the government and we're here to help you."

    "The question of a future mechanism, the question of oversight, and the paradigm of co-operation amongst all stakeholders."

    "We will share in the control of deviants. The word 'deviant' can be redefined at any member's whim."

    If there is a split, it will not make the final agreement. Where there is no agreement, the effort will have to be to convince each other."

    Meaning that they will generalize everything in vague definitions easily adjusted to their situation.

    Four hours later they came back to the official meetings with nothing. Khan suspended the meeting and told them to go back and do it again.

    True of any governing body. They have no clue what to control next, but surely there must be more taxes, regulations and restrictions added to the lawbooks. None to help their crony friends either, I'm sure.

    Twice, governments tried to stall the whole approach by asking what official standing the document they were creating would have - an age-old diplomatic trick. Mr Khan brushed it aside: "Just wait."

    "Why do you have to probe my ass, officer?"

    "Just wait."

    It is far from over but when the agreed text on how the internet should be run and by whom appears in front of the World Summit and is approved on Friday, it most certainly won't be perfect

    And this is what we need? Imperfection in an international law? I'd rather see imperfection in thousands of ISPs and be able to choose what is least perfect to me.

    The U.N. is the worst government in the world, so large that no one is safe, so large that no one has a voice and so large that revolt and rebuilding is impossible.

    1. Re:Save or enslave? by Rams�s+Morales · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thanks.

      This whole internet governance is just an excuse to provide a framework for censorship. Besides that it will also destroy innovation and research.

      The current system is not perfect, but it sure is better than whatever they want to achieve.

    2. Re:Save or enslave? by Arandir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When the world's biggest free speech violators are behind the push to bring the Internet under UN control, I get very suspicious of their motives. Especially since the the system they want to replace is the US's hands-off policy. Do you really want to give China hands-on control of the Internet?

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  3. From Hell's heart I stab at thee by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Strangely, this Google search generates hits.

  4. Save the internet? by vodkamattvt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why dont we just call the man who created it. Al Gore. I hear he lives in the woods somewhere with a scruffy beard and a heart of gold, just waiting for the world to call on him to save the day!

  5. "The man who will save the internet"? by Donniedarkness · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Internet Governance" is what will kill the internet.

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  6. We need an Internet Bill of Rights by alucinor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What we need is an Internet Bill of Rights to guarantee several conditions of the Internet as it exists today. The Internet today only enjoys things like freedom of speech and freedom from taxation because that is the current policy of the U.S. -- but who knows when that could change? I'm not giving disrespect to how the U.S. currently runs the Internet; rather, I think some of the U.S.'s policies of Internet governance need to be codefied into international law. Then and only then should we even consider handing the Internet over to the U.N.

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  7. The heart of the matter. by Tim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I would encourage you all not to focus on general themes of internet governance but instead go to the heart of the matter"

    Okay.

    Fascist states are pissed that they don't get to regulate the content on the internet, because it hinders their ability to feed their population piles of political bullshit.

    What do I get? Is the problem solved yet?

    Seriously. The only correct theme here is the "general" one -- freedom is linked to prosperity.

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  8. The previous post is highly deceptive by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't you think it is more than a little deceptive to take a quote like "the internet is five days away from total collapse as governments are finally forced into a corner and told to agree on a framework for future Internet governance." completely out of its context? The original quote from the article is, "If a certain US senator and a certain EU commissioner are to be believed, the internet is five days away from total collapse..." To take a quote like that and crop out the fact that it is qualified with a statement that it is propaganda from two particular individuals and try to pass it off as a premise of this article is wholly dishonest.

    The rest of your post is either poorly informed and considered garbage, or an attempt to troll. Just a few choice samples:

    Let every ISP decide. The competition will allow the creation of new ways to excel.

    Ignoring that in the majority of the world, including the US there exist government enforced monopolies on transmission lines, and thus there is no free competition.

    putting all into a head nodding "we can all control our citizens equally" concert.

    Assigning villainous motives to people trying to decide upon a communication standard between them. It has nothing to do with controlling people, just agreeing on an equitable way to communicate with one another.

    Meaning that they will generalize everything in vague definitions easily adjusted to their situation.

    Something specifically addressed as false by the article, but which this poster chooses not to address since it is easier to post this FUD.

    They have no clue what to control next, but surely there must be more taxes, regulations and restrictions added to the lawbooks.

    Crap pulled from his anus. This was about agreeing upon principals of how they will communicate and has nothing to do with taxes.

    etc., etc. etc.

    This is one of those posts where you wish a "-1 complete lies and fabrications" mod existed.

    1. Re:The previous post is highly deceptive by Shotgun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This was about agreeing upon principals of how they will communicate and has nothing to do with taxes.

      Surely, sir, you jest. "principals of how they will communicate"? What is so hard about "I talk to you, and you talk to me"? There is no place for the UN in how people communicate. Either they do or they don't.

      No this is about taxation and control. Right now they are working on the 'precedent' stage. The first move of all politicians and governments is to first set a 'precedent', usually through a policy that can't be 'morally' argued with.

      "Children are dying! The Federal government must feed the children!"

      Can't argue against that, even though it isn't the Federal government's job to feed the children (it's the parents, then city's, then county's, then state's job, if any). So the federal politicians set a precedent that they must feed the children. This gets extended to they must feed the old, too. Then everybody. Then everybody must eat what the government provides for them, which they do at twice the cost in the form of taxes. And if at any point, a man would say that the theiving politicians should keep their hands off the dinner table, they are labelled as a cruel and heartless bastard.

      Well, OK. I'm a cruel and heartless bastard. And as such, I loudly proclaim that the UN should not be allowed to set a precedent. Connect to the Net, or create your own, I don't give a damn. But in no way should the UN have any control over how my computer communicates with another.

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  9. Why don't they leave it? by oliderid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We all hear people complaining that they don't "control" the internet.
    I'm not American. But well Internet works, it is free and I trust more an American administration than a Chinese one at the moment.

    So the basic question is: Who force them to stay "inside" the Internet? They have routers, they have servers, uplinks, they can setup their own ICANN server within a day.

    If they feel so threatenned by the American institution, why don't they leave it and setup their own?

    Do you often surf on their web sites? Personnaly all I receive from China is SPAM.

    Let's call it the "Politically correct" Internet. It will under the control of China, Iran, Cuba, Syria, Tunisia and all these fantastic countries we hear complaining. And for the rest of us we keep things as they are.

    I don't want to surf all the day on a network partly monitored by non democratic countries. The UN is full of them, I don't want them to control any part of my life, not a single nanosecond, not a single bit.

    Olivier