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High Availability Solutions for Databases?

An anonymous reader asks: "What would be the best high availability solution for databases? I don't have enough money to afford Oracle RAC or any architecture that require an expensive SAN. What about open source solutions? MySQL cluster seems to be more master/slave and you can lose data when the master dies. What about this Sequoia project that seems good for PostgreSQL and other databases? Has anyone tried it? What HA solution do you use for your database?"

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  1. MySQL - Master / Slave is the only option by digerata · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You can use MySQL's in-memory cluster replication, which is pretty cool. You can have quite a few nodes, each serving requests against the same database. However, your database size is limited to the amount of RAM a single node can support. That really limits long term scalability of the database. What we just hit 8 GB? What do we do? Sorry, boss, I need another ten grand for an unplanned DB upgrade. Also, if you are used to the atomic transactions InnoDB provides, forget that. The cluster storage system NDB does not support all of the features that InnoDB does.

    We chose to go with a Master / Slave option which basically gave us failover within 3 seconds. Any more fine grained monitoring and the CPU performance on the slave gets pretty high. Not ideal, but probably the best option that uses MySQL when you don't want to be tied so much to one platform.

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    1. Re:MySQL - Master / Slave is the only option by cravey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your database size is NOT limited to the amount of RAM a single node can support unless you're only running 2 nodes. It's possible that your tables size may be limited, but I don't believe that that is the case. No, the cluster storage system does not support all the INNO DB features, but INNODB doesn't support all of the MyISAM features. Does that make MyISAM better?

  2. Re:MySQL Cluster != master/slave by afabbro · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The only real downside to the architecture required for CLuster is that all of the data is stored in RAM based tables

    ...for an "only real downside" that's a pretty big one. I mean really, what sort of database is this - 256MB? 500MB? 1GB? Fine for small websites, not fine for large apps. I don't mean to be a "big shop" snob, but this is a ridiculous limitation.

    Unfortunately, open source hasn't caught up to the big guys yet in the area of replication.

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  3. Re:MySQL Cluster != master/slave by cravey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Name a DB from a 'big guy' that doesn't require a shared resource. Oracle? Nope. RAC requires a shared storage solution. Lose your single storage device device and you lose access to your db. MS-SQL? Don't make me laugh. SAP? No. Postgres? No. Firebird? No. Who's left? MySQL is the ONLY available 'shared nothing' (tm) solution available.

    Yes, the RAM only tables suck for large DBs. On the other hand, they're REALLY fast and they can be easily scaled up on commodity hardware rather than requiring faster and bigger servers and storage. I'm in medium shop that only requires a few gigs of table space. I'm n+2 on webservers/sql servers and data storage nodes for under $15k. If I wanted to use Redhat on amd64 with gobs of ram/machine, I could probably be n+2 to 64G for under $50k. The only time I will EVER have to take my cluster down is to add more storage space or to replace my switch. That will result in about 10 minutes of downtime. Based on growth, I won't have to do that for another 18 months. If I wanted to spend another $10k, I could avoid having to take down the system in the event of switch failure. I've never had a carrier grade switch failure on any of my networks, so I'm feeling pretty good about availability.

    Yes it's expensive to get up into the terabyte range with ram based tables, but there's also no other way to do it without either spending ridiculous amounts of money or being dependent on a single piece of hardware.

  4. Nice "question" by photon317 · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Hello, anonymous Sequoia promoter seeking free advertising. (BTW, You might try picking a product name that normal people can spell without thinking about it).

    Your solution is not database clustering, and should not be advertised as such. It's more a long the lines of a database connection proxy which supports multiple simultaneous backends and operating on them in parallel, with some added features to make HA-like solutions relatively easy.

    The downside of this style of approach, as opposed to an architecture of the likes of Oracle "RAC", is that it doesn't scale up as you add backend nodes (at least not for writes, but in any case for read-only scaling there are simpler solutions for all of the vendors, even the free ones), and it must have limits on how many transactions it can backlog and replay to a temporarily-unreachable/down server before that server has to be re-synced from scratch in order to catch back up (and I have to wonder if there's really any real-world scenario under real transaction load in which the practical net effect wouldn't be a complete resync of a backend server anytime something goes wrong with it, in which case one could throw out any attempt to backlog transactions for a single failed server and just keep things simple - you fall out of sync, you resync).

    The open source world really needs a RAC-like solution for PostgreSQL and MySQL (I'm a fan of friendly open-source competition, so while my personal preference is PostgreSQL, I hope both projects stay current and popular for many years to come). Unfortunately there is unlikely to be a generic way to do this, it will probably have to be re-invented for each database project.

    I took a brief look around PostgreSQL's guts a while back, and it actually seemed like the architecture they use isn't far off from something RAC-capable to begin with, just nobody's quite buttoned together a few peices here and there to make it happen. Basically on SMP multiple co-operating backends already serve parallel requests and synchronized on a shared memory cache. There's patches out there for the linux kernel to support network-synchronized distributed shared memory. Put two and two together, and what do you get? Something not far off from a first-pass hack at a RAC-like network-distributed database caching system. Most of the other details are easy to solve (start/shutdown, join/leave cluster, tracking of processes across the cluster, etc), or belong in another problem domain (implementing shared storage filesystems (hey, we have GFS, Oracle OCFS, etc available...)). One of the biggest issues would be multiple nodes all having pg "Writer" processes. The first step would probably be to put the writer on one node and failover the writer functionality when that node dies, to be quickly replaced by a scheme whereby multiple writers can work by synchronizing through a distributed lock manager (there are already dlm modules available for linux). Then there's the issue of making the current distributed shared-memory patches do the right thing performance-wise for this kind of usage, and so on. It's not easy, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

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