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Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD Not Over Yet

samkass writes "Here is a good summary of the latest technical wheeling-and-dealing between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Among things that were new to me: the addition of a "red" 9GB HD format to Blu-Ray that would make initial Blu-Ray content (that fits) even cheaper than HD-DVD. Also, more discussion about managed copy (AACS, BD Plus, and ROM Mark) and iHD (HD-DVD) vs BD-J/Java (Blu-Ray)."

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  1. Can Blue Ray (Red) play on existing computers now? by NigelJohnstone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The resulting disc will be encoded with a high-definition video codec, and though it will be a red-laser disc (not a blue-laser disc as used by the other formats within the Blu-ray Disc specifications), it will only play back in Blu-ray Disc players and recorders. Even though vendors will be able to manufacture the disc on existing DVD production lines, it is clearly not the same as an HD-DVD. (One of HD-DVD's strengths is its purported ability to be produced at a low cost on existing, albeit modified, DVD production lines)."

    If it's existing DVD production, is it readable by *existing* DVD players like those in a computer. In other words can I get a codec and play it in a PC, (even if I need to update the DVD firmware to do it)?
    Sure the codec means it won't immediately be playable on the DivX/MPEG4/DVD boxes, but can it play on a PC?

    If they can do that, that would be a HD-DVD killer.

  2. More draconian DRM by l33t-gu3lph1t3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If Sony's new tech patent that allows discs to "lock in" to the first device they play on makes it into Bluray, you can bet your ass I'll be buying HD-DVD. While one could argue "but PS3 is going to be bluray!" I'll argue back that PS3 isn't looking all that hot these days. Personally, I'll be buying the format whose copy-protection is most flawed. I intend to keep my movies for longer than 5 years, and I don't think the solution to bit-rot is to buy the damn discs again in 10 years.

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  3. Re:How about something DRM-Free? by ILikeRed · · Score: 4, Interesting
    HD-DVD contains Microsoft's DRM software (iHD) (not that Blueray is any better, although their DRM software uses Java)... so you are saying you trust Microsoft to allow you fair use rights?

    This is what the fighting is about - these companies could care less about the formats, and very little about the final cost per disk, this is a fight to see who gets to provide the DRM software on your media.

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  4. boycott for now, there are alternatives by zeke2.0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I favor the boycott approach to both formats for now.
    There are several formats that can be used to create HD content on existing DVD disks.
    Windows HiDef Media
    Divx
    Quicktime (via h.264/mpeg4)
    H.264 (mpeg4)
    H.264 is the future of HD broadcast and you can fit an entire 2 hour HD (720p or 1080i/p) movie on existing DVD disks with room to spare
    JVC already has a player out that plays all these formats including m2t files (HDV in mpeg2 format)using existing DVD writable formats.
    We should simply bypass Sony and Toshiba and finally use our PCs and home theater servers the way we want to.
    And it would all be legal.

    Funny thing is, for once, MS is on our side, even if it's for the wrong reasons.
    here is the link to the jvc SRDVD-100U

    http://pro.jvc.com/prof/Attributes/features.jsp?fe ature_id=01&tree=&itempath=&model_id=MDL101546

    Has built in ethernet and streaming capabilities (movies, audio...). Pretty cool, but may be to expensive to some.

  5. Blu-Ray allows just as much freedom of copying by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Read the article, Blu-Ray allows just as much freedom in copying media (which is to say a vrey protected version of same).

    Consider that Apple and Sony and HP and Dell are all in the Blu-Ray consortium, whereas over on the HD-DVD side there's Microsoft and... I'm not sure who else but not many other major tech companies. Which format do you think is going to be more able to allow copying between many different devices from different manufacturers (again all protected of course) instead of just between different Microsoft products?

    If your idea of freedom is being able to buy whatever form of Microsoft box you like to play media - count me out!

    I'm sure neither of course will let you play media on Linux, so to say you prefer one over the other is to proclaim allegence to only one particular brand of salt to the exclusion of all others.

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