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Richard Stallman Accosted For Tinfoil Hat

ndansmith writes "Bruce Perens posts in his blog about an amusing encounter between Richard Stallman and United Nations security at the World Summit on the Information Society in Tunis. It seems that RFID technology, which Stallman opposes for privacy reasons, was used in the identification badges for the conference. From the blog: 'You can't give Richard a visible RF ID strip without expecting him to protest. Richard acquired an entire roll of aluminum foil and wore his foil-shielded pass prominently.' During a keynote speech, Stallman also passed around the tinfoil for other to use as well. It seems that UN security was not amused, however, as they would not let him leave the room for some time." What makes this even funnier, of course, is that tin foil hats won't stop them.

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  1. Chickenwire the new tinfoil! by dj245 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If the holeys in a mesh are half the size of the average wavelength of the radiation, practically none will get through, assuming it is made of the right material. The proper size mesh for RFID technology is left as an excerise for the reader.

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    1. Re:Chickenwire the new tinfoil! by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Informative

      Isn't it supposed to work to just surround the whole thing with anything that conducts electricity, creating a Faraday cage?

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    2. Re:Chickenwire the new tinfoil! by hankwang · · Score: 3, Informative
      If the holeys in a mesh are half the size of the average wavelength of the radiation, practically none will get through,

      Try wrapping a mobile phone (1800 MHz = 17 cm wavelength) in aluminum foil and just leave a small hole that allows you to look at the signal strength indicator. You will be surprised.

      Your argument is only valid (and then only to a certain extent) if both of the following conditions are met:

      • The incident radiation is (approximately) a plane wave (i.e. the source is many wavelengths away and there are no antennas and such in the neighborhood).
      • The receiver is at least a few times the wavelength away from the aperture.
      Close to the aperture you will still have a significant electric field (it's called the near field). In addition, in the near field of a radiation sources you have a magnetic field component that may penetrate thin layers of aluminum. With a fully enclosing piece of aluminum foil, without any holes, you would do a better job.
  2. The Slashdot title is wrong. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exactly. The story does NOT say "Richard Stallman Accosted For Tinfoil Hat". It says he wrapped his RFID card in aluminum foil, which is 100% effective in preventing reading the card without the card carrier's knowledge. The story also says that Mr. Stallman willingly took off the foil at checkpoints.

  3. Re:Tin/Aluminium? by anethema · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, beeing an electrical engineer, I can tell you that aluminum or tin would be an equally effective shield for RFID or any other frequency in which it is relativly large enough. (Relative to the wavelength used by the transmitting device..in the case of RFID it can use anything from 52 mm to 2398 m. No matter the frequency, encasing an entire object in metal foil will block its RF output as explained loosely below.)

    If you wrap any RF transmitting device in tin OR aluminum foil, you are going to completely shield the device and no RF will get in or out because the foil would act as a farady cage.

    This is because aluminum conducts electricity just fine, and as RF is composed of electro-magnetet waves, a solid conducting surface will act as a ground (short) and bounce the signal. If there is no way for the signal to escape, it wont.

    Any electrically conductive material would have this property. You could (and it has been done many times) make a faraday cage out of aluminum just as easily as steel or tin. Aluminum of course only has about 60 percent of the electrical conductivity of copper so copper (actually silver but obviously too expensive) would be the ideal material, but for weak signals like RFID it is irrelivant and both would work fine.

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  4. tin, pfft by DrSkwid · · Score: 5, Informative

    lead is the only way to go

    I used to use a anti-xray film bag for shoplifting, works a treat

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  5. Al Foil would work fine by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ladies and gents: Aluminum foil may not work for head-gear, but it will work just dandy for covering an RFID tag.

    Tag == 100% wrapped.

    Head != 100% wrapped (one would hope)

    Aluminum foil is conductive. That and complete coverage is all you need for a faraday cage.

    There are like 30 posts already that act like it won't work: it will. Want to test it? Wrap your walkman in foil and try to listen to FM. Freqs are different for RFID (probably), but it doesn't matter.

    Take care not to touch the ant. of the radio to the foil though, or you may actually improve reception ;~)

  6. Re:For all the "what does it matter" folks by golgotha007 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You might want to RTFA again and pay attention this time.

    He joked about killing another participant *After* being detained and released and allowed to attend another panel. Not only that, but he joked about it personally to Bruce Perens only after Bruce assured Richard of their diplomat status.

    so, RTFAMC

  7. Re:For all the "what does it matter" folks by Zarel · · Score: 4, Informative
    "Authority-maddened?" They went "bonkers?" They just held him until he removed the foil so they could scan his badge. That's "bonkers" now?
    Please, RTFA before you reply in such a... well, offensive manner.

    From TFA:
    You can't give Richard a visible RF ID strip without expecting him to protest. Richard acquired an entire roll of aluminum foil and wore his foil-shielded pass prominently. He willingly unwrapped it to go through any of the visible check-points, he simply objected to the potential that people might be reading the RF ID without his knowledge and tracking him around the grounds. This, again, is a legitimate gripe, handled with Richard's usual highly-visible, guile-less and absolutely un-subtle style of non-violent protest.
    (Emphasis mine)
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  8. Re:Hammer time? by Linker3000 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Like that would make headlines? RMS is going for max publicity.

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  9. Re:Hmm by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Informative

    The UN has a huge positive effect on the world. Examples:

    • They feed 104 million people a year in 80 countries. They feed people in war zones, natural disaster situations, health emergencies, and just plain poor countries.
    • There were 17 million asylum-seekers, refugees and the like in 2004 who got help from UNHCR. They both help refugees directly and work to ensure that governments meet their responsibilities to these displacees.
    • UNICEF. The UN protects children, everything from immunisation, education, protection against exploitation, AIDS prevention, etc.
    • The UN has 16 active peacekeeping missions right now, in places like Sierra Leone, Kosovo, Lebanon, Liberia and Burundi. Make no mistake: in most of those places if the UN weren't there, no one else but the marauders would be and the peace or relative peace being kept would have disintegrated long ago.
    • The UN is the leader when it comes to the global battle against HIV/AIDS. Between the World Health Organization, UNAIDS, and the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria the UN is at the heart of every aspect of dealing with the epidemic, from heightening awareness to raising funds to making sure appropriate programs for prevention and treatment are implemented.
    • Were it not for the UN, an awful lot of suffering around the world would go even less noticed and addressed than it does today. Landmine victims, Marburg fever and cholera sufferers, child soldiers, modern-day slaves, lepers and thousands of other populations beleagured by one or another either visible or obscure plight have a place to turn at the UN.

    It strikes me that, of the people who are wholly negative of the UN, the vasty majority are from the USA. It's not surprising, given that the UN are criticising the USA for blocking their torture investigations at the moment.

    I don't think you'll find anybody claiming that the UN is a perfect organisation. But only trolls and ignorant people could claim that the UN is not worth supporting.

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  10. Re:Why does he want to amplify the signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm sorry, I thought it was obvious that the MIT article was a joke. Now people are quoting it as fact.

    As smart as those MIT students may be they failed to explain why it amplified the signal.

    Simply put, the 'tin foil' or aluminum hat they constructed was a parabolic antenna with the test subjects brain as its focal point. Go back and look at those pictures in the MIT article and see for yourself.

    You can in fact shield an object if you *completly* enclose said object with aluminum foil (it's conductive). However, copper foil and screen is the standard for shielding used by professionals.

    The enclosure doesn't have to be air tight. But the gaps or holes in the foil need to be smaller then the wavelength your trying to attenuate. This is why RF "screen rooms" can use copper screen instead of solid copper and still be effective to up around 3 GHz.

    The more you know...

  11. Re:Hmm by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Informative
    They may feed starving people, but when those people are being massacred [rwanda], they look the other way.

    The U.N. general from Canada motioned to intervene. The U.S. refused. From your link:
    UNAMIR's Force Commander General Dallaire became aware of plans for the genocide in January of 1994. He sent a cable to U.N. headquarters in N.Y. asking for permission to confiscate weapons. Throughout January, Februrary and March, he pleaded for reinforcements and logistical support. The UN Security Council refused. The United States refused to provide requested material aid


    The U.N. itself cannot do anything: It's a place for the member nations to talk. If the biggest member decides that a genocide is not worth the risk of potential military casualties, then the fault for inaction is not with the U.N. for trying, but for the member nation for refusing to act.
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  12. Re:Oh Please... by nahdude812 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Money owed by U.S. to U.N.: $1bn
    Money owed by U.N. to U.S.: $4.7bn

    http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa103199 p3.htm

  13. Re:Those poor security people ... by UtucXul · · Score: 3, Informative
    Have you seen his personal webpage? I suppose CSS is too "new"
    I do some of the updates for RMS' webpage. It does use some css, but since the people who do the updates (like me) are generally very busy with their own normal work, we just haven't had the time to move everything over to css. Personally, I use css for my own site, but it doesn't really make sense doing it unless you have valid html. And we are slowly working on getting all of stallman.org to validate, but with the minimal amount of time most of us can put into it, it isn't easy.
    My point is that it is not aversion to change that causes his site to be a little behind technologically. It is time constraints of everyone involved.