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The Demise of IP?

meetmeonaholiday writes "CNet has an interesting article on why intellectual property owners should worry. Melanie Wyne explains how open source and open standards will lead to the downfall of IP and hurt competition rather than aid it." From the article: "As part of the discussion between Massachusetts and software developers who would be affected by the state's mandate, the designer of the OpenDocument Format policy, Eric Kriss, flippantly stated: 'Here we have a true conflict between the notion of intellectual property and the notion of sovereignty, and I'd say that 100 percent of the time in a democracy, sovereignty trumps intellectual property.' This sounds positively pre-Boston Tea Party to me ... It reflects the currently fashionable idea that confiscatory government policy must be used to even the score (whatever that means), thrusting highly demanded, privately risked IP out of the hands of legitimate property owners and into the hands of other, favored actors to further 'develop' it."

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  1. Re:Nonsense! by MrWorf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree... Rather than compete with different non-interoperable standards, the companies will be forced to compete with better products. Sure, there will be casualities in the beginning, but in the end, it will benefit the endusers in terms of better working software.

    As for open-sourcing all software aswell, that will be harder (ie, take longer time) but since the standards are open, they're forced to compete with functionallity and implementation aswell instead of just adding fluff (I heard MS Office 3000 XP Ultra Chrome Edition(tm) will be able to brew coffee for you when it finds the wordrate too slow), otherwise they'll fall behind and users will switch application.

    (Hmm... guess I repeated myself somewhat with the last paragraph, ohwell)

  2. All together now by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All together now: "Intellectual Property"* is a privilege, not a right.

    Your patent does not make you a unique and beautiful snowflake. The gov't does not usually invalidate patents outright. More often than not, they force you into a compulsory licensing scheme.

    OMG ITS COMPULSORY!!!111

    Calm down. Some governments won't even bother to license it.
    Asian bird-flu example.

    If the government feels that its national security is more important than your patent, it can and will take your "IP". In a small fraction of cases, the government says "You can't patent that idea. It is to sensitive." And guess what... you can't file a patent.

    Ultimately, patents are a gift from the government to you.

    *In this case I'm not including copyright...
    even though its a privilege granted by Congress,
    it has the word 'right' in it.

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  3. IP = Taxation Without Representation by gabble-blotchit · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Speaking as a Brit: AFAIK the British tax on paper was a major instigator in the war of independence, because it represented a tax on free speech. IP protected file formats is the exact equivalent today.

    IP protect file formats means MS is taxing us for the right to communicate. Every email containing a word document I receive is tantamount to saying I can't communicate unless I pay MS (and by that token, contribute to the US economy :-) ) for the privilage. Every JPG copied to a FAT formatted solid-state drive which is taxed by MS represents a limitation on Free speech etc.

    That's why OpenStandards are the opposite of pre-Boston tea party, in fact they are the Boston tea party.

    Chuck the tea in the river, let's brew our own!

  4. Re:Straight Talk About Copyrights by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd just like to address a particular point you raised there.

    The information age is forcing the commoditisation of information and the ugly death of the copyright system. [...] Well, over the next several years, the copyright system will not only be changed, it will become effectively dead. [...] The information age is doing for information services what the industrial revolution did for production.

    I truly hope this is not true. The principle of copyright is sound: to encourage those with the ability to produce useful and/or entertaining works to share what they create for the benefit of others. It is the corruption of this system, such that giant middlemen like the megacorps of the publishing and media industries reap all the rewards while effectively dictating terms to both sides through a complex monopoly, that causes pretty much all the problems we see today.

    The solution to this, IMHO, is simple: copyright should not be transferrable, and should remain for the duration with the creator(s) of the work. Instead, the law should allow for exclusive licensing agreements, and probably restrict them to a relatively short period to avoid the same sorts of abuse we have now where anyone wanting to get published has to accept terrible terms from the megacorps in exchange, or go independent and take their chances.

    The analogy you suggest, between the information revolution and the industrial one, is probably rather closer to the truth than most of us would like. Consider that in days gone by, skilled craftsmen and knowledgable traders could bring quality goods to society who wanted them, while still catering for those who just want cheap 'n' cheerful. In contrast, in today's industrialised economy, almost everything is cheap, nasty, mass-produced rubbish (or at least nasty and mass-produced). It's hard to find a skilled craftsman even if you want one and are prepared to pay for his services.

    Right now, most software is released full of bugs, and the fact that some consumer device you've paid tens, hundreds or even thousands for doesn't actually do what it's supposed to is just "the way it goes". No-one who has a better way of doing things has much chance of getting into the market and taking on the big players. As a consumer who prefers quality to quantity, I find there's no-one competing for the quality end of the market, because the money isn't there to go up against the mass-market industrial firms.

    If the system were fixed, the effective cost of entry would become lower, more niches for smaller players would become viable, and those with a superior product could ask and receive a fair price for it without disadvantage or risking having their market wiped out by the big players on a whim. In time, they could increase their market share, driving standards up for everyone.

    However, if the system were disolved rather than fixed, you would embed today's status quo just as various other industrial firms have done, and the concept of a quality product would be just as dead in software and high tech goods as it is today in average consumer fare. Perhaps that's what the market wants in its short-sightedness, but it's certainly not what I want, nor in the long term interests of society.

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  5. who is the Initiative for Software Choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Melanie Wyne is executive director of the Initiative for Software Choice, a global coalition run by the Computing Technology Industry Association"

    "Microsoft is a member of the Washington-based Initiative for Software
    Choice, that has written to Australian MPs asking them to oppose open
    source preference Bills .."

    http://www.sam.org.au/club_news.asp?clubid=4685&ne wsid=3651

    "In August 2002, Microsoft became a member of the Initiative for Software
    Choice. The ISC has close associations with the Computing Technology
    Industry Association (CompTIA) based in Washington DC .."

    http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/6927/print

    "One editorial labeled Massachusetts' OpenDocument Format plan as the "domino" that will cause other governments and private parties to follow suit," Melanie Wyne

    There *is* no mention of a 'domino` or any phrase to that effect on the linked to article. There is this quote thought:

    "Heck, it's just standards...Outside of some politicians and some Microsoft-backed industry groups, there's an overwhelming support for this thing," he said. "It's kind of hard to argue against it." Bob Sutor, IBM

    http://news.com.com/OpenDocument+format+gathers+st eam/2100-7344_3-5942913.html?tag=nl

    "Through privately owned and developed IP, American and European IP companies have given back untold public benefit" Melanie Wyne

    This is nonsence. It was because of the lack of IP legislation that companies prospered by utilising a common pool of knowlege. If it had been locked down we would have no national electricty grid, television, radio or a car industry.

    What you are trying to do with your IP legislation is get a lock down on the developing markets. So they pay you to use their own software on their own computers.