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The Demise of IP?

meetmeonaholiday writes "CNet has an interesting article on why intellectual property owners should worry. Melanie Wyne explains how open source and open standards will lead to the downfall of IP and hurt competition rather than aid it." From the article: "As part of the discussion between Massachusetts and software developers who would be affected by the state's mandate, the designer of the OpenDocument Format policy, Eric Kriss, flippantly stated: 'Here we have a true conflict between the notion of intellectual property and the notion of sovereignty, and I'd say that 100 percent of the time in a democracy, sovereignty trumps intellectual property.' This sounds positively pre-Boston Tea Party to me ... It reflects the currently fashionable idea that confiscatory government policy must be used to even the score (whatever that means), thrusting highly demanded, privately risked IP out of the hands of legitimate property owners and into the hands of other, favored actors to further 'develop' it."

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  1. Tea Party? by TeacherOfHeroes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not 'pre-Boston Tea Party', it's just that the sovereign state doesn't feel like being held hostage by proprietary formats - in this case, MS's .doc files

  2. Backed By Microsoft Shill by Kope · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Initiative for Software Choice is backed by Microsoft.

    Yet another shill decrying the evil of sharing information.

  3. Straight Talk About Copyrights by argoff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The theory that we've all been taught is that copyrights are "intellectual
    property" rights that protect creators, and give them an incentive to make
    creative works that provide personal and public benefit. The truth is that
    property rights exist to allocate finite resources, not to artificially
    choke supply for the sake of incentive. Rather than protection, or a free
    market property, copyrights are more like a regulation that micromanages how
    people can use information. In practice, they are dangerous to rely on and
    lock out more opportunity then they promote.

    History has shown that just protection of property rights leads to strong
    incentives, but coercion of incentive does not necessarily lead to just
    property rights. Simply because an institution calls something a property
    right, doesn't mean that it is. If, for example, an industry used the
    government to artificially restrict the natural supply of food and called
    shares of that monopoly a "property right", it would be very easy to see
    how the artificial distortion of markets would not only cause opportunity
    loss, but harm to society. Copyrights are a way for some industries to
    use government to artificially restrict the natural supply of information
    and force the market to center around information control rather than
    service value. That causes opportunity loss, harm to society, and a burden
    of enforcement that is too heavy to bear in the information age.

    Normally copyright concerns would not be so eminent as they have been
    effectively used for hundreds of years without failure. However, things are
    different this time and faith in the copyright system is rather dangerous.
    Just as the industrial revolution forced the commoditisation of the labor
    market and the ugly death of the plantation system. The information age is
    forcing the commoditisation of information and the ugly death of the
    copyright system. It is not a coincidence that the speculative stock market
    crash around 1857, regarding industrial technology is very similar to the
    speculative stock market crash in 2001 regarding information technology. It
    is not a coincidence that the slavery issue created a raging debate about
    artificial "property rights" as copyrights have today. It is not a
    coincidence the disproportional prosperity of the plantation system then and
    the disproportional prosperity of the copyright industries today (That is,
    unless one thinks hollywood is underpaid). Things like the harsh
    punishments for merely teaching a person of color to read, vs copyright
    crimes having punishments worse than rape today. These are all symptoms of
    drastically changing markets and entrenched dying industries trying to
    prevent change. As for those industries that thought that the entire purpose
    and meaning of the industrial revolution was to leverage inventions like the
    cotton-gin to expand their plantations for unlimited growth and profit - they
    were deadly wrong in spite of all the money and intellect behind them. Those
    industries today whom believe that the entire purpose and meaning of the
    information age is to leverage inventions like the Internet to expand the
    influence of copyright controls for vast growth and profit, well?

    Well, over the next several years, the copyright system will not only be
    changed, it will become effectively dead. All industries that center on
    them will change or die a protracted death, and all institutions that rely
    on a proprietary information infrastructure will be stuck in the mud as
    they suffer numerous opportunity costs. The information age is doing for
    information services what the industrial revolution did for production.
    However, the copyright system doesn't center around the supply and demand
    of service, but an artificial supply restrictions on information that
    services bring about. Over the coming years as information becomes
    commoditized and service value becomes more important than th

  4. Netcraft confirms it by saskboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    TCP is Dying! IP is near demise, and Iraq's insurgency is in its last throes.

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  5. confiscatory government policy by erturs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Replace "IP" with "government mandated monopoly" (which is what "IP" really is) in the article to realize just how silly it is. "Confiscatory government policy thrusting privately risked IP out of the hands of legitimate property owners"? Sounds just like what the government does when a patent is enforced against someone who has independently developed a piece of software.

    There is a time and place for government protectionism, and some forms of "IP" do serve a greater good. But what the government grants, the government can take away. Ms. Whine^H^H^H^H^HWyne would do well to remember that.

  6. Massachusetts decision has nothing to do with OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    How many times does this have to be said? The Massachusetts Open Document standard has nothing to do with open source. It is about open standards which do not conflict with copyrights or patents. Open standards have been used for ages to handle everything from which side of the road a car should drive on to what technologies are required in new automobiles.

    Massachusetts wants their documents in a format that they can guarantee they will be able to use 10, 50, 100, 500 years from now. They could have used a patented standard except that no suitable patented standard even exists.

  7. So standard electrical plugs destroyed capitalism? by MagikSlinger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see...

    So having standard electrical plugs, standards for phone jacks & POTS destroyed creativity and wealth. I see...

    When I think of the number of coroporations that benefited from ignoring patents in the 19th century, like Nestle, I find this argument of stronger IP = stronger economy a lot of bull[crap].

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    The bitter lessons of a veteran coder: http://bitterprogrammer.blogspot.com
  8. Times are Changing by ajs318 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The whole article is nothing but a bad-tempered whinge. Aren't you glad that the people who used to fit oil lamps to horse-drawn carts didn't feel the same way that Microsoft and co. feel today?

    Right now, you need to understand that if you use proprietary, closed document formats, your data is being held to ransom. If Microsoft bring out a new version of Office, your choice is: buy it, or get everybody else in the whole wide world to save their files that they want to send you in the older format. Which really doesn't sound to me like much of a choice.
    From the article:
    "Here we have a true conflict between the notion of intellectual property and the notion of sovereignty, and I'd say that 100 percent of the time in a democracy, sovereignty trumps intellectual property."
    - Eric Kriss.
    Finally, someone who gets it: some things are more important than money. The right of all the people to access government documents is more important than the {supposed} right of one company to make money by charging the people a fee -- no matter how small -- to access government documents. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and the needs of the few outweigh the whims and caprices of the many.

    As for mentioning the Boston Tea Party ..... that's just sweet, considering which state kicked off the whole Open Standards thing.
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  9. IP = Taxation Without Representation by gabble-blotchit · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Speaking as a Brit: AFAIK the British tax on paper was a major instigator in the war of independence, because it represented a tax on free speech. IP protected file formats is the exact equivalent today.

    IP protect file formats means MS is taxing us for the right to communicate. Every email containing a word document I receive is tantamount to saying I can't communicate unless I pay MS (and by that token, contribute to the US economy :-) ) for the privilage. Every JPG copied to a FAT formatted solid-state drive which is taxed by MS represents a limitation on Free speech etc.

    That's why OpenStandards are the opposite of pre-Boston tea party, in fact they are the Boston tea party.

    Chuck the tea in the river, let's brew our own!

  10. Biased nonsense! by mcvos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Phrases like: "failure by the EU Parliament this summer to pass patent legislation" (which I would formulate as "success by the EP to block patent legislation) show just how biased this article is.

    And then she jumps straight from open standards (who could possibly object to that?) to piracy and the threat to copyrights and that sort of crap. Even open source software is still copyrighted (which is why Sony's use of it is illegal).

  11. Re:Throw your Microsoft boxes into Boston Harbor! by Floody · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article reeks of the mindset you'd expect from Hilary Clinton.

    I was right there with you up to the Hilary (sp) reference.

    Actually, I would expect the opposite mindset from Hillary Clinton. This is the type of mindset that I would expect from someone who sells their vote to the highest bidder... someone like Tom Delay, or Orrin Hatch.

    It's the sort of mindset you can expect from either Clinton, Delay or Hatch. Power begets power, and with the exception of a very select few who manage to stay grounded to their principals (Mandela, etc), those who have it want (a) to keep it and (b) expand it. Fearmongering is a damn good tool for doing so.

    I'm sure some of these politicos started out with good intentions. But, every politician knows "You gotta break a few eggs ...". By the time you rise to the upper echelon of a major political rank, you're surrounded by egg shells and the omelette is a distant memory.

    This isn't exactly a new phenomenon; it's only been going on for the past 10000 years or so.