Slashdot Mirror


Building Distributable Linux Binaries?

Grubby Games asks: "I make games for a living, and I want to ensure that my games will run on as many Linux distros as possible. However, since I distribute binary game executables, the programs often fail to run on certain distros because of missing dependencies, and so forth. So, how do the Slashdot Linux gurus handle this situation? I've heard a number of theories on the subject, but have yet to find one that results in 100% cross-distro compatibility. Is it even possible, short of distributing source code?"

2 of 128 comments (clear)

  1. Ideas by MBCook · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You're going to have a hard time, I think. Obviously if you have to just build for a number of distros you'll want to do it for the most popular (Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, and Gentoo, for example). That said, there are some solutions:
    • Java
    • Python
    • Static Build

    Java and Python are obvious. You can always use things like JNI and the Python-C bridge if you feel you need better speed in some parts. As long as those parts don't link to any external code, you won't have any problem. They are both very fast these days, and by using things like PyOpenGL and Java3D you can get accelerated rendering and everything. Plus you would only need one codebase for both windows, linux, and OS X.

    As for a static build, you may or may not want to do that. The size of the executable will be much larger, and it will take more memory to run, but you won't have the problem of everyone has a different version. It would solve your problem.

    As an odd suggestion: why not build all your code into objects and distribute those with a little script to link them on the client machine into an executable. That would fix the problem right? The problem is you couldn't strip the binary (if you do that) because the linker needs the symbols (right?). But it would solve you problem. This is my understanding of how nVidia's kernel drivers work (they have a little glue source too, which you could include). This way they don't have to put out a version for every combination under the sun.

    I hope this helps. This is one area where Linux is (rather far) behind Windows and OS X. It's not much of a problem if you've got the source, but if the application is closed source (like yours) then it can be a headache. This is something that the LSB was trying to solve, but I don't know how far they got (or how many distros follow their guidelines).

    --
    Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
  2. Re:Staticly link EVERYTHING. It's the only way. by Tamerlan · · Score: 5, Informative

    As someone who is involved in supporting commerical closed-source applications on 3 Windozes, 5 Linuxes and 4 Solarises, I must confess - binary compatibility on Linux is too damn hard.

    Solaris is way better than Linux in that regard, everything compiled on lower versions always works like a breeze on higher versions. Windows has a clear dividing line between retarded 95/98/ME and 2000/XP/2003/Vista, but we do not support 95/98/ME anyway, so binary compatibiity on Windows is wonderful, aside from some minor glitches with missing DLLs.

    Now, binary compatibility on Linux is a total pain in the butt. Incompatibilities in glibc 2.2 vs 2.3, pthreads vs nptl, gcc C++ ABI is broken on every other gcc release, thread local storage, just to name a few hurdles.

    Distributing statically linked executables is the most reliable way to go, if you want to support as many Linux variants as possible. However, there are few things to remember:
    * If your application is security-critical, you link against static library and later security flaw is found in the library, OS security update leaves your application vulnerable.
    * Never link statically with libdl. For example, application, statically linked on RH 7.3 witl libdl will misteriously crash on RH9
    * Size of executables is big. Even worse if you have many executables using same libraries.

    Oh, you said you are going to market games... Boy, you are better to build them for Windows anyway. Don't let me be misunderstood, I love Linux (except, for its binary (in)compatibility, of course), but it's just not the right market and business model for you anyway.

    If you keep insisting on Linux, here is a hint. Most commercial vendors shipping products for Linux are oriented towards a limited number of distros, those used in enterprises. RedHat and SuSE that is. Mandriva? Ha-ha-ha. Oh, you say, Ubuntu and Debian are popular? Ouch, not among our cutomers.