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MS Has Free Software Removed From U.N. Paper

linumax writes "Microsoft asked for references to free software to be removed from a document presented at last week's UN World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) conference, the software giant admitted on Friday. The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) is unhappy that the document was changed and claims that even though it was on the panel discussing the document, it was not made aware of Microsoft's changes. The document (2.8MB PDF), known as the Vienna Conclusions, discusses issues around IT and creativity. The original draft of the document discussed how the free software model is changing the way people do business."

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  1. Commercial software buisness practices by RichMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well the paper might have originally described how free software works but what was done clearly shows how commercial software works.

  2. Trying to stop the sea with its hands by Khalid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MS is trying to stop the sea with its hands as they say, all it will manage to do is perhaps to slow it a bit, but everybody knows that nothing will stop the revolution. In a certain way this is pathetic.

  3. Re:thats it... by CyricZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How exactly are you going to "play dirty" with Microsoft?

    And will your "playing dirty" result in better open source software? I doubt it. That's why it is probably best for the community to just continue producing superior products, and eventually people will migrate the to the best (and likely open source) products.

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  4. Fine by hug_the_penguin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let's remove all favourable references to microsoft off slashdot then.

    It's just so absurd, they walk around, flash some cash and get what they want done. This all after the whole european antitrust thing... I find it shocking they CAN have this removed. I wonder this isn't classed as attempted monopolisation, they are, after all trying to lock out other competitors from publicity.

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    1. Re:Fine by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Funny

      Let's remove all favourable references to microsoft off slashdot then.

      Both of them?

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    2. Re:Fine by plover · · Score: 4, Funny
      Both of them?

      Hmm. I must have missed the other one then. Do you have a link?

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    3. Re:Fine by sklender · · Score: 5, Funny
      Both of them?

      Hmm. I must have missed the other one then. Do you have a link?

      No need... it was a dupe.

  5. What Microsoft doesn't understand.. by Chicane-UK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..is that for every token gesture they make to try and make the open source and free software movements warm to them and like them (opening up the next document formats in Office, etc), there is this kind of shit going on.

    Sorry Microsoft.. you've earned your reptuation as underhanded, dirty, cheating assholes - and stupid stunts like this just continue to prove that you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

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    1. Re:What Microsoft doesn't understand.. by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having actually been interviewed (and misquoted) by IT press, I have to say that I wasn't so impressed with there interest in getting the facts right. They were more interested in getting a quote about some technology of ours that was "insanely great" or about how my opinion of someone else's technology was that it was "monstrously horrible."

      There was very little journalism in the piece and significantly less technical savvy than I had hoped for. (I happened to mention XDoclet and it came out in the transcript X Doplet, and I was ostensibly speaking with Java-oriented "journalists.")

      For many in the IT press, talking to a Microsoft person is "a get" and the facts don't matter so much. If you actually are looking for solid computing journalism, I've been impressed with Linux Journal. It has the feel that Byte and PC Magazine used to have. If you really want to know where MS technology is and where it's going, you'd be much better off reading the MS developer blogs.

  6. lets face it by 3seas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MS knows they cannot compete with open source software...... why else do they lie every chance they get, about it?

    Recently there was an article regarding a clone researcher being looked upon as being bad, when the fact of teh matter is that he only tried to hide the dishonesty of his associates upon his finding out they had lied regarding their donorship.

    Now that's a case of one level disconnection from the initial deception. And consider what happened to him for it.

    This MS constant lying is first degree deception, outright intentional ..... and they are very persistant about it.

    So why are they still in business?

    Or is this only more proof that they are not genuine researchers or innovators, just used car salesmen selling the research and innovation others outside of them have done, as their own?

    Its ok to lie, if you are a salesperson, but not a genuine researcher..... right?

    1. Re:lets face it by 3seas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sales of Windows systems accounted for 36.9 percent of all server revenue in the quarter, versus 31.7 percent for Unix and 11.5 percent for Linux.

      math..... the difference between unix type or oriented systems and windows???

      Of the unix type there is Linux, FreeBSD, MacOSX, unix (of course), etc. Due to the licensing of such FOSS amd its packaging (you don't always need a server edition of a distribution to install a server) it is difficult to genuunely track teh use of such FOSS server usage. But do the math, unix style servers are greater in number than windows based servers. and of course there will be more servers in general in use tomorrow than today...

      Then there is the company compatability and administrator education/expierance being tied to a windows past, as the company grows and need to either replace their servers with newer hardware able to handle more. Such purchases often include windows server upgrades, perhaps to help take advantage of the newer hardware.

      What of FOSS server software? The capabilities are not static, but improving as well. Maybe there is just less need to learn more to use its next release... making it easier for the foss experienced server administrator to not need to buy the next major release and support, but rather to upgrade less at any given time as time goes by. A process where there is less likelyhood of massive user rush to patch holes and cause a ripple thru industry from such common and wide taxation of resources from administrator to user.

      So maybe foss is a slower upgrade process, but its also going to obtain in such trade off, a reduced risk base.

      At any rate FOSS is not declining in use. Its growing in all the ways and places it does.

      Of course non of this counters teh fact that MS lies every chance they get, about FOSS. And that's the real point. If they are as good as they claim, then certainly they must realize that lying is not consistant with public relations marketing, and certainly only shows doubt about their own product and/or sales pitch.

    2. Re:lets face it by Obstin8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I think Open Source has a lot of potential, but until its advocates remove their blinkers, industry will continue to dismiss it as a group of eccentrics on a religious crusade. It is only when open source projects take a mature and pragmatic approach that the projects become relatively successful.

      Hmm. Can't wait until Apache becomes mature and pragmatic. Or Debian, and Slackware too. And all those immature projects on Sourceforge. When that happens well, by golly, you'll probably see these eccentric oddities at Lawrence Livermore Labs or running on Cray hardware.

      If they were really mature and pragmatic, they just might make it into government use, or even become more commonplace.

      We can only patiently wait for that wonderful maturity and pragmatism to blossom. Until then we should be thankful that we are skillfully guided by the benign monopolists. They only have our best interests at heart.

  7. Interesting... by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is the same UN that should run the DNS root servers since they would be more independent than ICANN?

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  8. Stage 3: fight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Guess the "ignore us" and "laugh at us" phases are officially over.

  9. Tempest in a teapot by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Informative
    We're upset because this sentence:
    "Increasingly, revenue is generated not by selling content and digital works, as they can be freely distributed at almost no cost, but by offering services on top of them. The success of the free software model is one example,"
    got changed to this:
    "Increasingly, revenue is generated by offering services on top of contents,"
    These are U.N. peole (think University board members - only more useless) who play with words for a living.
    "Nothing to see here, move along."
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    1. Re:Tempest in a teapot by zx75 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would you rather they played with weapons and armies? For all of recorded history we tried that, and all it got us was to the brink of destruction.

      Open dialog is something new, we've only been really trying it since the Soviet Union fell. Give it time for us to learn how to get better at it and do it right before dismissing it.

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  10. Re:What do you even say to that? by EnderWigginsXenocide · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bill and Steve and crew continue to bully the planet.

    DUDE! Watch it, don't piss them off or they'll "fucking bury that [planet], I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill [Earth]."

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  11. Re:UN's document is absurd and oxymoronic by Cyclops · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They DO BELIEVE IN DRM and they explecitly say so:

    To ensure ongoing innovation, Digital Rights*cof*Restrictions*cof* Management (DRM) development and deployment must remain voluntary and market-driven.
    Of course they are voluntary, did Sony install a rootkit in your computer against their will? Of course not, they even thought you didn't need to bother about it because you didn't know what it was...

    Is it other than market driven? The editors practically control the market. I find it harder and harder to buy Music in an unencumbered format...
  12. What about this? by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    However, living in a world of new digital economy does not mean that one can break all business rules. ... The rights of creators and the protection of their intellectual property require permission and compensations ... Quality contents should pay back their creators; and not just the intermediaries. They ought not to be nor should they be seen as being available for free. Such appearances are demeaning to creators and producers, authors and developers, and they deny them the fruits of their efforts and work.

    This was extracted from the document under discussion. I would have expected this forum to be much more upset about this transparent advocacy of DRM than it would be about some trifling changes regarding free software. If I didn't know better I might think the disclosure that Microsoft had the "free software" language stricken from the document was done deliberately to draw attention away from it's other content. But we in /. too smart to fall for that little diversion, aren't we?

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  13. So where is the original draft? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So where is the original draft? Why doesn't some unhappy person release it on the web with a side-by-side comparison to the final draft? Done this way it should truly embarass someone.

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  14. MS software isn't free? by happymedium · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's odd... My friend BitTorrent tells me most of Microsoft's software is free, too. I wonder why they'd act against their own interests like this?

  15. Background of the story by GeorgGreve · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you who are interested in the entire story and its background, here are the links:

    The best overall analysis and description of the situation so far was written by Germanys largest IT news provider, the Heise Verlag. They have the story online in both English and German.

  16. Found your link by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Funny
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6179&cid=98276 4
    Hey now, microsoft doesn't suck all the time

    I program for a living. I realize that C++ is faster and cleaner, and yada yada yada, and I actually prefer to program in it. However, the last time I wrote a fully featured, robust application in less than a week(graphics automation, like debabelizer) it was in VB....
    But seriously though, googling for "Microsoft doesn't suck" on Slashdot brings up three results, of which two are the same.
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