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Singapore Blogger Spared Jail
afaik_ianal writes "A Singaporean blogger, who pled guilty to sedition charges last month for posting anti-Muslim remarks in his blog, has avoided a custodial sentence, and has been placed on 2 years probation instead. According to the article, the 17 year old student is the third person to be convicted under Singapore's sedition laws in October. Singapore, which is unconcerned by wide criticism of its record of press freedom, appears to have been stepping up efforts against bloggers in recent months."
So it is illegal for Christians to flame Muslims and it is illegal for Muslims to flame Christian or Jews.
The problem is that one group of religious nutjobs takes flaming the others quite literally.
Also, I don't see why any of them should be spared criticism. I'm an atheist, and I'm always on the receiving end of some well-meaning advices to get me into religion, but for some reason we religion-less folks aren't allowed to criticize those who believe in fairy tales that involve some god or another...
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Large organized religions, especially Islam and Christianity, have been a curse to mankind, the cause of hundreds of millions of deaths and the worst cruelties, and continued poverty and ignorance. As an example of how brainwashed we are on the subject, point out how evil the nazis were and normal people agree; point out the Roman Catholic Church has murdered and persecuted more Jews than Hitler, and all of a sudden you get labelled as "intolerant". uh-huh....
has a very uncorrupt government....
Members of the government not being collared for corruption could well be because they're good at hiding it. Also, in a country where you can cane, imprison or kill people for offences that would warrant a fine elsewhere you may find the press and media are too deeply involved with or too downright scared of whoever's doing the fiddling.
Hmmmmmm..... Deep fried and look like Squirrel.
you're right, and I only used RCC as example. Got modded "troll" in less than five minutes too, proving my point. Note that I don't treat any person badly or even differently because of their religion, and I myself come from a background of a religion that has done evil things too. Most all of my friends and relatives are of various organized religions that are doing and historically have done very bad things. But I'm saying its important to have the right to point out the bad things organized religions have done and are doing; while not harming any person or inciting hate for any person.
>> [Singapore] has a very uncorrupt government
When there's strict censorship, how do you know? I bet if there was more censorship in the US, 99.9% of folks would think that GWB is a genius and all the rest of the world is ruled by evil tyrants with their WMD targeted squarely at Washington, DC. That, and no one would even know of evolution.
Why, I don't even have to say "if". Just remember the "commie" hysteria back in the day. You could ruin your career (and life) just by saying you're a communist. Or somebody else could, by saying the same about you.
Radical Islam doesn't have the oil that's sponsoring terrorism. It's America's partners - the friendly (albeit civil rights hostile) Saudi Kingdom, that was the source of the hijackers who blew up the WTC, and members of Bush family friends (trained by the CIA) who planned the attacks.
Also, Iraq was never radical islam - at best, a corrupt dictatorship that was nominally islamic.
It's like a rich family got mugged by the son of their rich neighbor, so they blame the poor kids from the bad side of town.
In Iraq's case, the rich neighbors went and burned the ghetto, creating more angry radicals, while doing nothing about the real problems in their own neighborhood.
"Being from Singapore myself I can say that Singapore never has been free - it makes a superficial attempt at looking like a democracy, but thats just to appease outsiders. Things like other political parties aren't legal... and people have been known to disappear if they hold the wrong views..."
Oh -- I guess I can't really call you an anonymous "COWARD" then, can I.
The unclear limits in Singapore would lead a lot of people to kepe their mouth shut and head down, and just hope for the best -- because you never know when you might get in trouble.
As Solszenitsyn mentions in his books on the gulags, the unclear boundaries of what was OK or not OK under the Bolsheviks led to people greatly restricting what they did, lest they get noticed and punished.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_
Theo Van Gogh. Twin Towers. Pentagon. USS Cole. Embassy bombings all over Africa. Tehran embassy takeover. Munich olympics massacre. THAT'S ISLAM, FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
Athiests dont have religious beliefs. Thus people are able to critize our beliefs and we not theirs. i get this shit all the time, whenever some idiot says something ridiculous and then hides behind religion. Religion gets exempted all the time for their beliefis but athiests are never given the same benefit. Take for example Contenscious Objector status, you aren't allowed to object on a rational framework that killing is immoral, only a deeply held religious belief. Other great examples are bicycle helmet exemptions for sikhs. Or multiple wife exceptions for Muslim immigrants (in Canada). Religious exemptions just go to show how trivial and unimportant our laws are, basically saying if you believe in a fairy tale then you dont have to follow the law.
According to Transparency International Singapore ranks 7th in the list of the world's least corrupt governments. They use a set of 16 indices and international surveys to determine corruptability.
Number 1 least corrupt is Iceland. Last on the list is Chad. The US is 17th. Interesting thing about the US that bribing the government is not illegal.
Where does one of these governments based on "freedom" exist?
The word Freedom implies total freedom. 100%. That's anarchy. A "government based on freedom" is a blatant contradiction in terms.
Governments can exist to promote some degree of some freedoms(s), and I assume that is what you meant. But stop with the trite soundbites of glorification, okay? The world is not black and white, and neither are governments. They're all just differing shades of grey.
you r wrong!
while I dont think that the government is 0% corrupt, they are indeed very clean. Everything in government practice is super stringent. Try doing business here with the government and you will know. There is no culture of corruption. Its a taboo there. They have very strict audits and check and balances. Even trying to buy gifts or giving a dinner treat to the government officials while doing business with them can be a sensitive issue and must be declared in writing.
Try doing business in China or Malaysian government and you'll know the difference. It's almost like a given. That is why they are highly regarded by the International community for efficiency and uncorrupt government.
Another reason y they can be so uncorrupted. I heard all their ministers are very highly paid. Much more than any senator or even GWB would get per year.
"Those who give up liberty for the sake of security deserve neither liberty nor security." - Benjamin Franklin
Why do I get the feeling this is one of the countries that the United Nations will put in charge if ICANN is taken over by the UN.
Can someone explain why 'blogging' has ANYTHING to do with this damn story? You short-sighted fools.
/. wouldn't clowns a wider audience) from pseudo wannabe bloggers who write articles ABOUT journalistic rights of bloggers - NOT ACTUALLY ABOUT FREEDOM OF FUCKING SPEECH but their own twisted short sighted lazy, irresponsible 'DAMN these laws conflict with my interest to say any shit and drive treffic to my motherfucking ads'.
/. these days.
sedition charges last month for posting anti-Muslim remarks
Does it matter WHERE he posted them? The fact that they were in a blog - DOES THIS MAKE THEM ANY FUCKING DIFFERENT. For fucks sake people, if you all make out that somehow, things written in blogs are somehow different to writing them in any other way? You totally miss the point of the story by focussing on some transient shitty 'technology / retracted-hyphenated word form' (noone knows what the fuck it actually means)
Singapore, which is unconcerned by wide criticism of its record of press freedom, appears to have been stepping up efforts against bloggers in recent months.
I can imagine that previously they have not devoted resources to 'online' information which requires a certain amount of organisation and recruitment of people who are net savvy to track these things. They are certainly not 'stepping up efforts against bloggers' You twatish hyper-fucking-teen-girl-giggling knobjockeys. hehehehe look we can bitch and moan about our rights and bloggers, and like, start a revolution damn it! stick it to the man! yeah, fuck yeah. idiots.
What is the worst fucking thing?
The fact that this pissfuckingshitty word like blog is whored all over this story, and noone gives a flying fuck about the actual case, which is about a country disallowing freedom of speech against religions.
Fuck if he posted it to a fucking bbs, forum, irc chan, news site, comment board, shoutbox, blog, profile, or any other thing you want to call text that is transmitted over http.
I have repeated this TIME AND TIME AGAIN. Not to mention the stories (oh damn I wish
You get it now?
Shut the FUCK up about blogging when talking about online freedoms of speech, in fact, shut the fuck up about online, and look at the real picture you narrow minded fucks.
He wasn't convicted under blogging laws, or for a crime of blogging. People are moving the fucking issue and not considering the reality of what he was charged for and the implications of that. Now, go ahead mod me down for swearing at the top of my voice trying to be heard in the squalid shit storm of ignorance that plagues
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