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Peter J. Quinn Investigated for Travel Omissions

tadelste writes to tell us O'Reilly is reporting that a recent story in the Boston News about Peter J. Quinn is nothing more than a desperate attempt to slant public opinion in the Massachusetts OpenDocument frenzy. While we have documents showing Microsoft's lobbyists paying for big trips for the former House Majority Leader and his family to go to England and Scotland, Mr. Quinn seems to be getting the spotlight for incomplete travel records. From the article in question: "On most of the trips, Quinn said, his travel and other expenses were paid for by the sponsors of the conferences. On two of the trips -- to Tucson and Washington, D.C. -- Quinn paid his own way, according to state records and an interview with Quinn."

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  1. Who the hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is Peter J. Quinn?

    1. Re:Who the hell by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 3, Informative

      Peter J. Quinn is the CIO for Massachusetts. He's the guy ultimately responsible for picking ODF over Microsoft, which then resulted in MS making their XML-based document formats for Word, Excel, and Powerpoint "open".

      Groklaw already has an article on it basically exonerating Mr. Quinn.

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    2. Re:Who the hell by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      here a quote from Bernard Golden of IDG: Microsoft has reached out to a couple of politicians in Massachusetts and gotten them to object to the process of this decision. The politicians have raised issues that mandating ODF would also mandate use of OpenOffice and that OpenOffice's open source license would mean that any commercial product that attempted to comply with the mandate would also become open source.

      Wow, two FUD-bites in one quote: (1) mandating ODF would mandate (i.e., force) use of OpenOffice; and (2) vendors that create products compliant with ODF are forced to become open-source. Obviously 200% bull, but an impressive serving of it.

      Not that I doubt the veracity of what you're saying, but do you possibly have a link for this quote? Really, it belongs in a FUD gallery somewhere.

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    3. Re:Who the hell by neillewis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft is already paying for development of an ODF converter for MS Office. They'd rather feed smear stories to the press and buy off politicians than give their customers what they want, but they'll readily support OpenDocument if they start losing those customers.

      Either way, it looks like the days of the Office monopoly are numbered, and the 75% monopoly rent profit margin too. Micosoft only has itself to blame if it doesn't want to compete on a level playing field.

    4. Re:Who the hell by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well ... sorry for replying to my own post, but I found the link.

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  2. Re:Who the heck by saskboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The link is already getting slow so here's the info:
    Peter Quinn has served as Chief Information Officer (CIO) for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts since September of 2002 and Director of the Commonwealth's Information Technology Division (ITD). Mr. Quinn is also Founding Chair of the Government Open Code Collaborative (GOCC). As ITD Director and CIO, under the Executive Office for Administration and Finance, Mr. Quinn is responsible for setting information technology standards in the Commonwealth. Mr. Quinn came to public service following a successful career in private sector IT, most recently as the CIO for Boston Financial Data Services

    http://www.mass.gov/portal/site/massgovportal/menu item.2231afa58be831c14db4a11030468a0c/?pageID=itdu tilities&L=1&sid=Aitd&U=quinn_bio_publicsite

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  3. Re:WTF by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's MS dragging the name of a government official through the mud just because he is choosing open standards over MS.

    It's kinda what /. is for.

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  4. Guts by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At worst, if Quinn got free vacations at OSS conferences paid by OSS corporations, it will show that at least OSS corporations are fighting proprietary corporations like Microsoft in an arena where victories are won every day: buying political decisions. The OSS revolution is a practical one, not an ideological one (though some ideologues like Stallman can be useful). Maybe once the tiny sector of government that is its technology formats and software is open and transparent, we'll have some luck fixing the political part. Until then, I remember the fortune cookie "it's best not to know how laws and sausages are made".

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    1. Re:Guts by Thing+1 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I saw a great refutation to that quote, in someone's signature here:

      "The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism."

      From http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169368 &cid=14119001

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  5. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by Compholio · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm huge Open Source, linux, anti-Microsoft (in the "I-wish-they-would-cut-out-the-monopolistic-abuse- crap" sense), but not at the cost of ethics.

    Then I suggest you read both articles carefully, the boston globe one doesn't even list any violations that make sense in reality-land. For example:

    Even though a galaxy of computer companies are listed as sponsors of many of the conferences, Quinn did not list any of them on his authorization forms or the business relationships any of them have with the Commonwealth.

    If you've ever been to a tech conference you know that the list of sponsors is immense, it would not make sense to list a single company on that list because it is the conference itself (not its sponsors) who decide to pay for your visit when you're a guest. The globe article even points out earlier in the story that the guy's legal advisor didn't know exactly what he needed to do with regards to listing who paid for the trip - and later in the story it notes that when his expenses were paid by a single company he did list the name of the company.

  6. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    looking at other news sorces, he filed for all of these, but may not have been "pre-approved" and some people [pro microsoft] think he should have put all the sponsors of the events down.. not just the committee paying him... it's a tempest in a teapot. There's no wrongdoing here, just squibbling about whether he filled out the paperwork right or not. All of these happened AFTER the decision was made to switch to ODF too.

    This was a political thing.. some reporter thinks they're smearing somebody... they waited for a long weekend to even report it when he can't respond... this is editorial abuse, heads should be rolling... and not his.

  7. Re:Happens to the best of us by faedle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except, as it has been pointed out elsewhere, it's not obvious he actually broke the law.

    He went to a couple of trade shows on his own dime, and maybe didn't file every little slip of paperwork required. It happens. Was it a major ethics violation? No, it doesn't appear to be.

    Far from the two felony convictions Microsoft has recieved. If you, personally, recieved two felony convictions, you'd be disbarred from even bidding on projects with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Why is Microsoft seemingly the sole exception to just about every state's "felons cannot provide services to the state" statutes?

    Next time you go 5 MPH over the speed limit, I expect you to duly walk into the nearest police station and demand they write you a citation. After all, the law is the law.

  8. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by Reverberant · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I hope it's mostly a case of not dotting the i's, not crossing the t's,

    Given what I know about working for Mass, I strongly suspect that's the case.

    <begin anecdote>

    Back in my last job, I did some consulting for the MBTA. There was no problem with traveling within the state on project business. However, traveling out of the state on project business was a big deal, requiring several levels of approval. At one point we needed to fly to Colorado to conduct some testing - it would have cost several $million to test locally, and several $thousand to test in CO. I think it took something like 2 months for the approval to come through. Since the testing wasn't too time-critical, we just waited for the T to give us approval.

    <end anecdote>

    Given my experience working for the state, and my experience going to conferences, I don't find it hard to believe that Mr. Quinn may have been running against conference registration deadlines, hotel room deadlines, and airfare deadlines - I suspect that he followed proper procedures when he could, but if there was a time crunch (maybe it took too long for a gov't bean counter to approve the first of 12 forms), he may have just asked his boss (and council as TFA noted) for verbal approval.

    Frankly, as a Mass taxpayer, I'm happy that state workers are going to conferences. Of course if it was a golfing junket, it would be a different matter. But (IMNSHO) technical people need to go to conferences to expose themselves to news ideas, to meet contacts, and, yes, to schmooze with vendors.

  9. Taking a page from the Rove playbook by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Don't just attack the message, smear the messenger.

    We complain about not having good candidates to vote for, but what sane person is going to run for office in this sleazy poliical climate?

    Yes, Mass. was proposing an open document format. That would make him a good choice as a keynote speaker at OSS conferences. And they break this on a weekend? This stinks like yesterday's diapers.

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  10. a political liability for Gov. Mitt Romney by miked98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This story is a caricature of a purposefully leaked, politically motivated hatchet job that -- to the glee of the "unnamed sources" who served it up -- got past the Thanksgiving rag tag staff and onto Page One.

    It's unclear what this very public investigation about is even about. Misuse of taxpayer dollars? Quinn paid *his own way* to attend two of these technical conferences and was an invited expenses-paid speaker for others. Cozy relationships with corporate sponsors? The article notes that his expenses-paid conferences were sponsored by a "galaxy of computer companies" -- e.g. the free market. Not filling out the proper paperwork? Since when is improper paperwork Page One material? (Maybe Quinn never got the memo about those TPS reports).

    So what is Peter J. Quinn guilty of? Being a political liability for Governor and Presidential Hopeful Mitt Romney. Having one of your employees piss off the bosses of the world's richest software company is no way to kick off your 2008 campaign fundraising drive.

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  11. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by DrJimbo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    max born said:
    This guy is supposed to list the companies that financed his travel. He apparently didn't. He fscked up and gave Microsoft amunition. Quinn unecessarily caused the general public to question the motivations behind the opendoc initiative. And all over some simple paperwork.
    Oh for cryin' out loud. Are you serious?

    Nobody lists all the fsckin' companies that sponsor a conference when they are being paid by the conference. If I got funded by a tv station, I would list the tv station but not all of its sponsors (advertisers). What you say makes no sense and is not how the real world operates.

    The guy didn't fsck up at all. The Boston Globe was trying to raise muck where there wasn't any muck to be found. They published this crap and now they are being ridiculed.

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  12. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Funny
    At one point we needed to fly to Colorado to conduct some testing - it would have cost several $million to test locally, and several $thousand to test in CO.

    Wow... with those kind of discounts available, maybe Massachusetts should have built their huge highway tunnel in Colorado, too.

  13. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by pallmall1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If the MA state law says you must declare XYZ then you must.
    Big IF there. Even the Globe doesn't know if Quinn needed to or in fact DID declare anything necessary, because they don't even know what, if anything, it would be necessary for him to disclose. They just ran a Thanksgiving smear on the guy without even knowing what the rules are that they wrote on page one he's being "inquired" about. Kind of like that "XYZ" bullshit you mentioned.

    The Boston Globe method was to 1) ask what the disclosure rules are because they didn't know, and then 2) print an article on the front page that says the Governor's administration has launched an inquiry into possible ethics violation by Quinn. Note that the big pile of #2 the Globe put on page one came before they knew what the rules are, or without giving Quinn a chance to respond because they couldn't reach him on THANKSGIVING DAY.

    If you can't smell this smear job, you should see a doctor and let him count the holes in your head. It's not about what "side" anyone is on, it's about ethics, and the Boston Globe has demonstrated that they have none.
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  14. MS-backed Worst EU Lobbying Campaign by Christian+Engstrom · · Score: 4, Informative
    [Microsoft would] rather feed smear stories to the press and buy off politicians than give their customers what they want
    When they don't have any actual arguments to fight with, what else can they do?

    Another Microsoft backed lobbying effort was the fake grass roots movement "Campaign for Creativity", which tried to convince the European Parliament to introduce software patents in Europe, by pretending to represent "artists, designers, writers, photographers, software developers, musicians, engineers, inventors". In reality it was just a site put up by the lobbying firm Campbell Gentry, and financed by companies like Microsoft and SAP.

    This (failed) lobbying effort has how been nominated as one of the contenders for the "Worst EU Lobbying Award" 2005.

    The "winner" will be selected by an open Internet poll. If you want to donate a mouse-click to the fight against software patents and the companies that try to introduce them by corrupting the political system, you can go to the site and vote online.

    The award is organized by a number of watchdog groups that are working for cleaner and more transparent methods in politics, so although the award as such sounds a bit humorous, the underlying issues are quite serious.

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  15. Groklaw's view by golodh · · Score: 3, Informative
  16. We Simply Sought His Advice by Uggy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm the CTO of Altamente, mentioned in the article. We invited Peter to the conference in Puerto Rico simply because we felt that the government of Puerto Rico needed to hear what Massachusetts was doing with regard to IT. How simple is that? We don't do any business in/with Mass.

    It was a great opportunity for one government to share with another some of the challanges and difficulties of budgeting information technology and one possible solution that Peter's office had proposed. Since we're an open source company, it makes perfect sense that we like what he was doing with OpenDocument.

    It's just a stupid witch hunt. His trip to Brazil, Puerto Rico and most of the far flung conferences were paid by people who wanted to hear what he had to say, what he was doing, and how they could do the same. As many people wanted to listen to Dr. Edgar David Villanueva from Peru, lots of people want to hear what Peter Quinn has to say as well. Same deal.

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