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Exception Expands Domestic Surveillance

drDugan writes "The Washington Post is reporting the next phase of American progress authorizing intelligence agencies to spy on law-abiding citizens without oversight. Primarily, new legislation allows an 'intelligence exception' to the privacy act 'allowing the FBI and others to share information gathered about U.S. citizens with the Pentagon, CIA and other intelligence agencies, as long as the data is deemed to be related to foreign intelligence. Backers say the measure is needed to strengthen investigations into terrorism or weapons of mass destruction.'"

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  1. Re:The Ever Expanding Bureaucracy by dada21 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't like your neighbor getting high? Start a war on drugs. Three thousand people get killed in a terrorist action? Take everyone's civil liberties away.

    No, that's not the case... Your questions are more in line as such:

    1. Don't like people medicating with drugs made by groups that don't bribe politicians?
    2. Three thousand people get killed because the politicians before you killed millions of non-citizens?

    Surveillance will always be pitched in the guise of protecting lives.

    Which is why we need to show this for what it really is: extending the financial income of those voting for the bill.

    Isn't it ironic that the Chinese government is helping to fund the War in Iraq AND the eradication of US civil liberties?

    Not really. The Chinese government has been culpable for a decade by continually buying our counterfeit dollars that Greenspan has been printing in high speed. What surprises me more is that I meet people every day who still have a love for government.

  2. Re:The funny thing about McCarthy... by geomon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you think that's a good thing (or that ignoring it is a good thing), then we probably won't see eye to eye...

    I was in the midst of doing an investigation on a piece of rural farm land for a property transaction in Southern Idaho. Part of that investigation required that I go to the local courthouse and look up records attached to that particular parcel. As I was scanning through the record books, I came across a whole section of records that all started and ended in roughly the same language. They were filed around the time of the McCarthy Army investigations. All of the people who filed these documents were doing so because they feared being labeled as Communists by a local demogogue who was riding along on the Red Scare. They were oaths of allegiance to the United States.

    The thing that pisses me off about that whole record set is that all of these people were in fear of their OWN FUCKING GOVERNMENT. Not one spy would have missed an opportunity to follow the herd and file their own oath. So what did that exerise do in improving the security of the US? Not one fucking thing.

    You are right: If you think that making people fear their government in order to MAYBE catch some spies is a good thing, they we will definately not 'see eye to eye".

    I mean, if you shouldn't try to stop people who are paid by your national enemies,

    You know I never said that, so beat your strawman by yourself.

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    "Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"