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ICANN Considers Single Letter Domains

* * Beatles-Beatles writes "...as the Internet's key oversight agency considers lifting restrictions on the simplest of names. In response to requests by companies seeking to extend their brands, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers will chart a course for single-letter Web addresses as early as this weekend, when the ICANN board meets in Vancouver, British Columbia. Those names could start to appear next year."

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  1. So who gets them? Sesame street? by plover · · Score: 5, Funny

    This posting brought to you by the domains "F" and "U".

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    John
  2. Single "Letter" Domains by Nightreaver · · Score: 3, Funny

    So MX on these domains won't be very useful?

  3. Now Taco is mocking us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's going to post all Beatles Beatles stories to spite us.

  4. Only 26 by mysqlrocks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With only 26 available they should fetch a hefty price and be accessible to only the wealthy. Great.

    1. Re:Only 26 by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 3, Informative

      no, there are 26 letters, times the major .whatevers There's .com, .net, .org, .info, then the ones that go by country, like .co.uk or .de That makes for a lot more than 26 possibilities, but you are correct that relative to the internet as a whole, it's not a lot of domains.

    2. Re:Only 26 by keithmoore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So let's see...ICANN is devoting valuable energy to deciding whether it should free up a tiny number of new domains. The domains will inevitably cost a lot of money. The only question is who gets it. If they released the domains under the normal first-come first-first serve policy they would be snapped up in microseconds by speculators and auctioned off, and the speculators would get the money. OTOH if ICANN tries to make the money itself, or split it with registries, then they subject themselves to charges of inappropriately lining their pockets and favoring wealthy commercial interests.

      This will not do a thing for the net as a whole and will only make more trouble for ICANN.

    3. Re:Only 26 by chris_eineke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Consider http://k.de/ :P

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    4. Re:Only 26 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually it's less than you might think....

      gTLDs - .com .edu .gov .int .mil .net and .org

      Of those, only the .com, .net and .org are 'open' for registration so that gives you 3 x 26 = 78

      Then you've got the new TLDs; .biz .info .name .pro .aero .coop and .museum

      Of those 3 are sponsored (.aero .coop and .museum) so the policies regarding registration are at the discretion of the sponsor. That leaves 4 more TLDs under the control of ICANN as far as policies go. We're up to 7 x 26 = 182

      Then there are the ccTLDs; .ac .ad .ae .af .ag. .ai .al .an ......... .za .zm .zw

      But the ccTLDs are under the control of a delegated agent in the country involved and the policies are once again at the discretion of the delegated agent. You've just lost the 240 x 26 which would have really bulked out those numbers.

      Oh, and then you have to take away the 6 existing one letter domain names which leaves us with a grand total of new 'approved by ICANN' one letter domains of;

      (7 x 26) - 6 = 176

      So it's not that many....

  5. slashdot.o ? by saskboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    how.r.u ?

    This could .b confusing, .a?

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  6. tinyurl? by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny

    does this put tinyurl out of business?

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  7. I just don't see why single letter domain names ar by putko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't get why single letter domain names are so wonderful.

    Nor do I see why they had to get held back (mostly -- just check the list) until now.

    Does anybody really want the letter 'j'? What does that mean? Is it really worth big bucks?

    I would guess that at some point you won't have domains, but some sort of searching facility -- e.g. a bunch of tags. At that point, the name won't really matter, and you probably won't want to remember most of them.

    E.g. your microwave will have the IP: 123.223.3.123.43....
    But you'll look it up on your keychain device, or do a search for "Me" "microwave" to get the magic number.

    And your living rooms light switches address will be ...
    and so on -- everything will have an IP, but you won't be able to name all that stuff anyway.

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  8. Re:But they already exist by mysqlrocks · · Score: 4, Informative
    FTA:

    Six single-letter names already claimed at the time _ "q.com," "x.com, "z.com," "i.net," "q.net," and "x.org" _ were allowed to keep their names for the time being.

  9. What about international characters? by under_score · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Would the single letter domains allow for international characters? This would be a cool way of reducing the contention for the English/Roman single letters. The article didn't mention this, but it seems to me like it may be possible already given the IDN standards.

  10. It's amazing... by LithiumX · · Score: 4, Funny

    I actually take the time to read a side-dispute over a submitter's reasons for submitting, then blow it off as something that doesn't really interest me.

    Then suddenly it seems like he's popping up left and right. It's like something out of a low-grade horror movie. To make matters worse, someone nearby keeps blasting Beatles tunes from their cubicle - not even the good ones. I half expect an undead George Harrison to start clawing at my bedroom window tonight.

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    1. Re:It's amazing... by Dirtside · · Score: 3, Funny
      I half expect an undead George Harrison to start clawing at my bedroom window tonight.
      Let's see... uh, no, you're next Tuesday, tonight George is scheduled to terrify a pensioner in Bristol. Sorry about the mix-up.
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  11. from the people that brought you ".museum" by rebug · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone actually respect ICANN anymore?

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    1. Re:from the people that brought you ".museum" by m50d · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And you wonder why people think the US shouldn't be in control of DNS.

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  12. Re:LMAO by ptomblin · · Score: 4, Funny

    We'll know it's really Taco in disguise once he starts posting duplicates.

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  13. So wrong ... by Kope · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The point of domain name hierarchy, as ICANN has forgotten, was to organize information into identifyable categories to make it easier for people to find what they want.

    Now, I will grant that with the advent of search engines, this is far less of an issue than it was 20 years ago.

    Still, the domain name conventions are NOT about corporations "extending their branding." It's about organizing the ip space into human-readable and human-understandable segments. Single letter domain names do nothing to further that purpose.

    It's a bad idea not because of any technical limitations but merely because it is bowing to corporate pressures in the governance of the last arena in the world where people have more power than the companies.

  14. A new record? by Tim+C · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Two **Beatles-Beatles stories on the front page at once? You guys might wnat to consider hiring him, he's clearly a journalistic power house. (Assuming he isn't already on the payroll, that is)

    1. Re:A new record? by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Insightful

      (Assuming he isn't already on the payroll, that is)

      I think you mean, assuming Slashdot isn't already on his payroll.

    2. Re:A new record? by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Two **Beatles-Beatles stories on the front page at once? You guys might wnat to consider hiring him, he's clearly a journalistic power house. (Assuming he isn't already on the payroll, that is)

      Actually, its 3 in 24 hours. Take a looke here: http://slashdot.org/~*%20*%20Beatles-Beatles

      Its also nuts that this guy has already gotten his karma bumped up. I don't know how much accepted stories raises your karma, but this guy is brand new and has only posted a handful of comments.

      Plus the George Harrison site that he is pumping really looks like it sucks. I've heard that he is a search engine optimizer or something. Don't really know what is going on here.

  15. For those that didn't bother to read the article.. by SecureTheNet · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...this does not open up top level domains, like .a or .b This is a proposal to open up something like a.com or b.com.

    Yes, I realize there are a few out there, www.X.org comes to mind. Most of the single letter domains are registered to:

    [whois.iana.org]

    IANA Whois Service
    Domain: c.com
    Name: IANA_RESERVED

    The article also states that IANA started reserving these in 1993, but the whois record for x.org shows it was created in 1997.

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  16. Finally, we can get a .m TLD by spyrral · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When they started pushing .mobi as the mobile TLD, I thought they were joking. Type MORE letters on my phone? A .m TLD (and really, any of the other single letter TLDs) is a much better choice.

  17. Don't think you're going to get any of these by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you think, "Hey, take a chance in the lottery and sell it for six figures aftewards," forget it now. The big companies are beating out the small guy and the Internet ideal of First Come, First Served -- FIFO in Geek terms -- of rewarding the agile thinker doesn't exist any more. Corporate sluggishness and immense political contributions have squashed it.

    How have they beaten you to the punch? For example, Yahoo has already trademarked "Y.COM". Even if you get www.y.com, they simply take it away for you for free as the "trademark owner," and brand you as a criminal cyber-squatter in the process.

    Oh, and btw, have a nice day!

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  18. Re:Heh... **Beatles!!! by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Informative
    I'm recycling a comment from another AC in another Scuttlemonkey/**Beatles-Beatles post. This guy's getting worse than Roland Picklepail:

    Am I the only person who has noticed the numerous stories that get posted by *--Beatles-Beatles? Am I also the only person who has noticed that the link used in is name is a constantly changing URL (depending on the story) with pointers to various scammy sites? Is it not obvious what he's doing? He's using the awesome PageRank of slashdot do promote his sites based on searches that have the word Beatles in them.

    It's a small price to pay for free advertising. Find a story, summarize it in 5 minutes, post to slashdot, and get a pagerank boost that advertisers would pay hundreds (or maybe thousands) for. (Text links on high-ranking sites is big business - just ask oreilly).

    Slashdot should at least put a ref=nofollow in the links to submitters (or better yet, only link the submitter's name to his/her user page).


    In closing, a quick bit of WHOIS shows that all the sites linked by **B-B are registered to Carl Fogle. Carl, cut this crap out.

    My followup:
    if you care so much why don't you give Carl a call @ (718) 996-7672.

    If you have a GSM phone, dial #31# before the number and it'll show up as "private" or "protected" on the recipient's caller ID. Everyone else, use *67

    "Hello, please leave a message after the tone"
    BEEP

    Googling for his phone number brings up a lot of information. Apparently he's in the search engine optimization business and has been spamming for a long time.

    His website: hxxp://search-engines-web.com
    Another website: hxxp://5url.com/
    More website: hxxp://google-yahoo.com/
    Old e-mail address: aa1a@yahoo.com
    His Guestbook: http://server.scripthost.com/guestbook?harrison
    Google Phonebook: C Aab
    stwnewspress.com: Contact Name = A. Seo*
    5url.subportal.com: Contact Name = A. Aab

    Feel free to send him e-mail url55@hotmail.com

    *A. Seo = A Search Engine Optimizer
    very fucking clever
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  19. Next in the news - Single Digit by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    First dupe post fromt he future -

    November 29th, 2006

    Today ICANN announced that they will free up single-digit domains. They expect to make millions off the sale of the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
    <p>When asked for comment about ICANN's new single-digit policy, one slashdotter said "Let them sit on THIS single digit and rotate!"
    Of course, 1 is going to go for big bucks - "We're #1".
    7 also - "Lucky us".
    Avis will buy #2 - "We're #2 - we try harder"
    3 will be bought out as a business portal - "3's company"
    4 will be some scam - "trust us - we work 4 u" - or some golf site - "fore!"
    9 will be sold to some kraut anti-drug campaign - "just say 9/nein"
    8 will go to weight-watchers or slimfast - "8 too much?"
    5 will go to whoever looses the bid for 1 - they''ll then say "5 - we're the quintiscential site" or some other loser shit
    6 will go to an online redneck pharmacy - "when you'se feeling six as a dawg, order your meds from 6.com"
    0, of course, will be the big one. The BIGGEST sex portal - "come to 0.com - because you can't get any lower than us"

    Remember - watch for it next year

    tt

  20. Beatles by LlamaGui · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm recycling a comment from another AC in another Scuttlemonkey/**Beatles-Beatles post. This guy's getting worse than Roland Picklepail: Am I the only person who has noticed the numerous stories that get posted by *--Beatles-Beatles? Am I also the only person who has noticed that the link used in is name is a constantly changing URL (depending on the story) with pointers to various scammy sites? Is it not obvious what he's doing? He's using the awesome PageRank of slashdot do promote his sites based on searches that have the word Beatles in them. It's a small price to pay for free advertising. Find a story, summarize it in 5 minutes, post to slashdot, and get a pagerank boost that advertisers would pay hundreds (or maybe thousands) for. (Text links on high-ranking sites is big business - just ask oreilly). Slashdot should at least put a ref=nofollow in the links to submitters (or better yet, only link the submitter's name to his/her user page). In closing, a quick bit of WHOIS shows that all the sites linked by **B-B are registered to Carl Fogle. Carl, cut this crap out.

  21. How to Advertise on Slashdot by nagora · · Score: 5, Informative
    Beatles-Beatles, AKA Carl Fogle, is using /. to boost his search-engine jigging company. By hosting gerorge-harrison.info and then getting /. to link to it, and therefore lots of other sites to mirror that link, he is boosting that domain's search ranking (he's up to #10 on Google for "George Harrison"). He can then point his prospective clients to this success when pitching to them for their business.

    TWW

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  22. Re:I just don't see why single letter domain names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
  23. Re:Heh... **Beatles!!! by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You know, before you go ahead and attack the guy, is whats happening with his link scam really more important than the admittedly interesting stories he has on occasion posted?

    I mean, this isn't like Roland who linked to the story on his ad supported blog rather than directly to the article. At least this guy has the common curtesy link directly.

    And people have said that he changes his homepage a lot, I've just seen the George Harrison one, can someone please post some evidence to the contrary?

    I mean, I love a good old-fashioned pitchfork and torch rally on Slashdot as good as the next guy, but I'm wondering if this guy is the right target for it.

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  24. Is He Serious? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK, I'm not really sure whether you're being sarcastic or just doing a Dvorak on the whole current DNS debate.

    You're suggesting we all dump DNS and just use search engines for everything. Let me ask you this. When everyone has done this, How the hell will search engines work?!

    Consider Google pagerank. It searches you page, finds links to other pages.... but wait! These links are now not direct links. They are search engine terms which may or may not return the desired site, and by clicking on the link, you change its value on the search engines rank.

    You'd turn the whole internet in some kind of quantum mechanical system where you're never quite sure where a link points to until you click on it, and once you've done so you've changed the state of the link. I'm sure we'll all get around just fine.

    Not to mention the increased bandwidth and overhead. The net would quickly become primarily a system of passing around search engine queries rather than actual end user data.

    Your idea sucks. Turn back on your DNS and svae the world some extra bandwidth.

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  25. BURN ALL TLD's by Wellspring · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Blech!

    Personally, I think we don't need TLD's anymore. The idea that an independent system should be vetting the .org-ness of an institution (especially in places or countries where the divisions of non-profits, government, and corporate are either non-existent or irrelevant) is to me unnecessary. The internet isn't about "defending the people" or picking winners and losers, it's about an open, largely unregulated system for connecting networks. The moment you go down the road of choosing policies and standards based on protecting or fostering one group over another, you'll never stop.

    Ultimately, I think that if I could alter the domain name system, I'd burn all TLD's. Most groups register the .com / .org / .net equivalents anyway. Is slashdot a .org or a .com? Just for example. Why not go to http://cocacola/ and be done with it?

    However, I can see the logic of reserving 2 letter codes for countries. After all, they have the guns and decide the laws. I don't know what 1 letter domains could be used for, but I'd prefer that they not be allocated yet either (for future use, perhaps). Selling 26*n (where n == number of TLDs at any moment) domain names isn't really worth the headache of changing the rules, and they could come in handy later.

    Of course, then the job of the registrar becomes much more administrative. So odds of ICANN actually doing this are slim --> none.

    1. Re:BURN ALL TLD's by gfreeman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not go to http://cocacola/ and be done with it?

      Because it would be confusing if you wanted to tell someone to go to that site, e.g.

      You: "Go to aitch tee tee pee colon slash slash cocacola"
      Them: "Sorry, I fell asleep halfway through that. Hmm?"


      as opposed to current usage,

      You: "Go to cocacola dot com"

      It's the "dot com" bit that tells everyone that you are talking about a website, because no-one I know uses the redundant "aitch tee tee pee colon slash slash" bit in normal chat. Of course you could say "visit our website, it's cocacola" but you'd have to do that everytime you refer to the cocacola website rather than the soft drink. Imagine business meetings in the soft drink industry.

      Q: "Have you seen cocacola recently?"
      A: "What, the website or the company?"


      Something needs to distinguish the brand from the domain, because until now, the context has been quite clear whether you are referring to a name, a brand, a site, or the product. Drop the "dot com" and it starts to get confusing.

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  26. Re:But they already exist by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Imagine having just a single character as the whole domain name though - no TLD, just a single letter!

    That would open up *thousands* of new possiblilies for domain names...