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Ants Use Scents Like Road Signs

Ant writes "Animal Planet mentions ants scouting for food place a tiny scent marker on branches that do not lead to a reward. This was according to a study published on Thursday in Nature, the weekly British science weekly. The pheromone acts like a "no entry signal" to other ants, telling them not to waste their time going down that route, it says. The discovery was made by animal scientists at Britain's University of Sheffield. Seen in The Ant Farm's and Myrmecology's Message Board forum thread."

43 comments

  1. Yeeeha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In soviet russia ants use scents like road signs!

  2. Ant by daeley · · Score: 4, Funny

    How to confuse a line of ants.

    0) Locate ants. This part is important.

    1) Lick a finger. Normally yours, but hey if you talk somebody into it, go forth and conquer.

    2) Draw the moistened digit (which sounds way worse than it is) perpendicularly across the ant trail.

    3) Watch in amusement as the ants wander around in a confused crowd, trying to regain the trail.

    4) Have a brief existential crisis regarding if the Universe wipes a moistened digit across humanity from time to time.

    5) ...

    6) Profit!

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    1. Re:Ant by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      Currently living in Thailand, ants are very plentiful. I think I'll be trying this very soon! :)

    2. Re:Ant by vga_init · · Score: 1

      4) Have a brief existential crisis regarding if the Universe wipes a moistened digit across humanity from time to time.

      Might I be so bold as to suggest that religion and politics are prime examples of this principle at work.

    3. Re:Ant by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      This works for considerably longer if you use a bit of soap and water and a brush. Then try painting circles around the critters and watch them really freak out. Eventually they'll get so agitated they just cross the circle in random directions and continue darting about at double speed for a considerable time afterward.

      Mal-2

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    4. Re:Ant by I(rispee_I(reme · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Currently living in Thailand, ants are very plentiful.

       
      They're that way everywhere, except Antarctica.
      I hear that Sydney, Australia is one giant anthill
      underneath, due to an invading foreign ant species.
      I will leave the alien ant overlord joke to the first
      reply.

  3. Feynmans Ants by Midnight+Warrior · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why is this new? Richard Feynman talked about ants long time ago. Even as far back as when he was a kid, as he discusses in his book Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman (which has the text of the book, and this section, about 1/3 of the way down). First non-lamer post.

    1. Re:Feynmans Ants by dorkygeek · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I have not read the complete material from the links you posted, but it looks like Feynman thought that bad trails could be distinguished by a fewer quantity of the scent as ants would leave on a successful trail. The article although seems to indicate that ants use a *different* marker to signal bad trails.

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    2. Re:Feynmans Ants by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because they've discovered that ants not only leave "follow me" trails, but also "don't follow me" trails. Feynman only found evidence for the "follow me" trails, which I'd guess had been known about for a while.

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    3. Re:Feynmans Ants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      This is also a basis for a hueristic used to solve the travelling salesman problem.

  4. do they ever lie? by squarefish · · Score: 2, Funny

    so that they can have their own private stash?
    I would!!!

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    1. Re:do they ever lie? by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      I think this would be a little more thinking than an ant could handle.

      But, I could be wrong.

    2. Re:do they ever lie? by shobadobs · · Score: 1

      No, because individual worker ants do not reproduce. A colony whose ants did this would be worse off, so such traits would be selected against.

    3. Re:do they ever lie? by panthro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not at all. Varyingly complex behaviour designed to fool other animals (same or different species) is instinctive and genetic in many species. However, ants are much more socially dependent than most animals and would not benefit from stashing food for themselves individually.

      It would be interesting to see if they put such "do not enter" markers on the far side of food locations, near the interface with another competing colony. My guess is the ants can distinguish the originating colony of the pheromones, though.

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  5. Let me be the first to say... by ndansmith · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This story stinks!

    1. Re:Let me be the first to say... by MarkRose · · Score: 2, Funny

      This story stinks!

      Admit it: you were antsy to make a pun.

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    2. Re:Let me be the first to say... by ndansmith · · Score: 1

      Something has just been bugging me about it all day.

  6. Nothing to see here move along by LBt1st · · Score: 1

    What is this doing on slashdot?

    1. Re:Nothing to see here move along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what the ants said.

  7. Sounds good by CXI · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When can I get it in a spray can?

    1. Re:Sounds good by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

      Sorry I don't have mod points. That was pretty good!

  8. This post is a dupe by VAXGeek · · Score: 1

    Of SimAnt!

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  9. Is this new? by crlove · · Score: 1

    I thought we'd known this for awhile. Wasn't it the basis for some of the swarming algorithms we've been using for awhile?

  10. Good for keeping ants out of a house? by Grayden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could the scent be synthesized and used as a way to tell ants not to bother entering a house?

    1. Re:Good for keeping ants out of a house? by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      I guess so, I don't know of much chemicals that cannot be synthesised. At what cost, that's a different story.

      Anyway, if the nest is inside your house you might have a problem :).

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    2. Re:Good for keeping ants out of a house? by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      Well, just get a colony of ants in a lab to mass-produce it.

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  11. Better than RAID poison? by PurifyYourMind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The RAID traps I used this last summer didn't work well. I wonder when someone will formulate a sprayable "do not enter" chemical as an alternative to poisons. Then how long will it take for ants to evolve an adaptation to ignore false "do not enter" signs?

    1. Re:Better than RAID poison? by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      Forever, if the chemicals are produced from live(->dead) ants. probably easiest/cheapest source too.

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    2. Re:Better than RAID poison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There's probably not much of an evolutionary advantage to being able to go inside houses. Once inside, people generally kill them (the kind of person who would buy the spray in the first place...).

      Ants do not evolve at anywhere approaching the same rate as bacteria, either. The generation time is MUCH higher. Also, they can't share genes between species as easily as bacteria (although it's possible), so the same mutation can't jump from species to species like antibiotic resistance can in bacteria.

    3. Re:Better than RAID poison? by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      I have a LOT of experience with ants ... you have to find out what your ants like. There are different kinds of ants, sugar ants and grease ants. Leave sugar and (dry) dog food and see what the ants eat. Once you've got a bunch of ants, give them different types of traps to see which one they'll eat. I have had the best luck with "Grants Ant Traps". They are arsenic suspended in a sortof a jelly which poisions their food supply. Once you've got these ant trails, follow them back to their source and dig up the place the ants are living, and spray it with diazonine.

      Spray the perimeter of your house with Diazonine liquid, and when things get realy out of hand and lastly spread diazonine crystals on the lawn and landscaping.

      It takes a couple hours a week, but I guarantee you wont have an ant problem after taking these steps :)

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  12. Old news by mister_llah · · Score: 1

    Hell, I learned all this stuff from SimAnt over 10 years ago!

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  13. Why it's new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ant scent trails are old news. It's well understood how they work on the ground. Ant trails on the ground are like roads or paths... they're a line the ants follow. The line has coded patterns of data, but fundamentally the information about where to go is just an analog line on a surface.

    This is a different thing. These scents are being used as markers indicating which branches on a tree shoudn't be explored further. It turns the tree into a literal tree data structure! This is wonderful. The data about where to go is being stored in a surprisingly abstract way.

    Incidentally, nothing screams "I don't know what I'm talking about" like inappropriately crediting a discovery to a common popularizer. Feynman even acknowledged right in the text that ant trails were already well understood when he did his playing around with them. Very little you read in something like Feynman was discovered by him first. They're collections of anecdotes, not hard science.

    It's especially tasteless to link to the books.

  14. A method... by Vo0k · · Score: 1

    Not all that new thing. They do. And remains of a dead ant work about the same way. So if you want them to forbid entry to some place, if there's an estabilished "road", stream of ants, too late, you need to use some mass destructiom chemical weapons. But if you see a single ant scout, smash it and smear it over the likely road, it will quite effectively stop other ants from, say, climbing the garden table legs.

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    1. Re:A method... by shotgunefx · · Score: 1

      Speaking of dead ants. I once got a ton of them coming from a crack along where the tub meets the floor.

      So I put out some ant traps and noticed something that seemed odd, at least to me.

      As they started dying, the started stacking the bodies in small piles along lines that ran diagonal to the floor tiles. It looked like a point grid. Fairly evenly spaced as well

      I know they are just ants, but I actually started feeling pretty guilty when the few that were left were just hauling the corpses of the others, until there was one single ant trying to move all these bodies into these neatly stacked piles until he too succumbed to the poison.

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  15. Anyone remember SimAnt? by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anybody remember the early 90s computer game SimAnt? Basically, you got to control an entire 2D ant colony. You didn't directly control all of the individual ants, but instead controlled a single ant which dropped pheremones on the ground, which other ants would follow. For example, you could leave a food pheremone trail leading to a food source, and as long as your fellow ants kept on finding food there, they would add their own pheremones on the trip back to sustain the trail.

    It would have been handy to have a "no entry" pheremone in that game. Now that I think of it, SimAnt is a game which is just screaming to have an open-source remake. Somebody with more spare time than me should make such a remake, and add the newly discovered pheremone. :)

    1. Re:Anyone remember SimAnt? by Vo0k · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, there WAS a "warning" pheromone. You were supposed to spray it around dangerous places. It just meant "stay away". Since the game wasn't on branches but on ground, the "no entry" pheromone made less sense.
      Anyway, get the first colony somewhat running, just mark the first food supply, then change the profile of egg production so that all 3 classes are produced in equal amounts, not the default queens being just a small percent, then go to the macromanagement map and start spreading the queens all over the lawn. Some will die, some will survive and produce more queens. Really soon you will own the game.

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    2. Re:Anyone remember SimAnt? by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      Well, there WAS a "warning" pheromone.

      Oh wow, I totally forgot about that. It's been far too long since I last played... I really need to set aside some time to fire up DOSBox.

  16. Thanks God... by Pecholata · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    there are still some genetical differences between ants and humans.

    One buddy pissing all way long to the beer machine to mark the shortest path for the rest of the group?... mmm it doesnt sound pretty exciting, specially for the cleaning stuff.

    Anyway, it wouldnt be the first time I see someone marking the way from toilet to bar pissing on the floor :-).

  17. Old news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and they use markers for "positive routes". If you want to stop the "positive route" the ants follow, sprinkle some cinnimon on the trail. It's safe for kids and pets and stops the ants from following that trail.

  18. Too little, too late. by grub · · Score: 1


    The pheromone acts like a "no entry signal" to other ants, telling them not to waste their time going down that route, it says.

    I wish someone sprayed that pheromone on my ex's ankles before I met her.

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  19. Something to see by hcg50a · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's just me, but as a programmer, I have often thought that it should be conceptually easy to write a program that simulates an ant, since there cannot be much to an ant. Certainly not much sophisticated processing ability.

    Yet it seems surprisingly difficult.

    One possible conclusion is that the step-wise algorithmic programming models we use add far more complexity to certain problems, such as simulating ant behavior.

    This revelation about negative scent markers helps me understand ants better, and may help me understand an alternative programming model with which to program ant behavior.

    At least, it suggests that ant behavior is not as simple as I had thought.

    As a programmer interested in science, I find this extremely interesting.

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    1. Re:Something to see by panthro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...since there cannot be much to an ant. Certainly not much sophisticated processing ability.

      Why do people automatically assume that ants, and for that matter, other non-human animals, are simple and/or dumb and/or not self-aware? It seems this idea that humans are so tremendously much more complex than any other organism sprouts from thin air (or thick ego), and it would take a dolphin obtaining a Ph.D. in particle physics to convince them otherwise.

      At least, it suggests that ant behavior is not as simple as I had thought.

      Probably not. Our behaviour is as complex as it is mainly due to the degree of social interaction inherent to our species. Now, show me an ant, and I will show you a social creature if there ever was any.

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  20. neat. by David_Shultz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Many of us are no doubt familiar with models of ant foraging behavior that make use of pheremone dropping. For those of you who didn't catch the important difference mentioned here, it's basically the discovery of a different type of pheremone (whereas previously we had imagined that the ants made use of only two pheremones 'home' and 'food' -now there is 'no food').

    if you are interested in such a model, you can get a simple one programmed in python here: http://www.carleton.ca/ics/courses/cgsc5001/assign 4.html Actually the link here is specifically about applications of genetic algorithms. But the second application (the first is a maze solver) is a GA used to optimize ant pheremone settings.