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'Games Are Not Art' - The Fault of Game Journalists

Roger Ebert has gone on record stating that he doesn't think games are art, and may never be up to the level of film as a medium. Kyle Orland responds on the Video Game Media Watch site, saying that if anyone is to blame game journalists are at fault for that perception. From the article: "The question of whether or not games are art is a hotly contested one, and one I don't want to get into in depth here. Suffice it to say I think they are, as far as they are capable of providing deep emotional experiences that can change the way we look at the world. If you agree that games are art (or will at least grant me the premise), here's another question more relevant to the focus of this site: Have we, as critics, given people like Ebert enough reason to believe that games are art?"

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  1. Simple by Pxtl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember that the mainstream view of the Games industry is the MTV Video Game Awards and the XBox commercials. Nobody ever gave Ebert a copy of Myst, Monkey Island, Ico, or any of the other classics of the art.

  2. That's funny... by benjamindees · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't think most of the movies he reviews are art either.

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  3. Art is subjective by faloi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What constitutes art for one person may be a stack of scrap iron to another. I don't think we should care much about whether Ebert thinks video games are art. What difference would it make anyway? Last I heard the video game industry isn't so strapped for cash they're looking for NEA money.

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    "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." -Albert Einstein
  4. Problem number 1 by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Define "art".

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    No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
  5. Games are a Medium by breadbot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is paint art? Of course not. It's a medium. Games can be created artistically or not, just like paint can be used to express truth and beauty or simply to cover a wall.

  6. Wow, way to miss the point everyone by hudsonhawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every single comment so far is about Ebert. Attacking him for being fat, or for having a stupid opinion. I think we can all agree that games can be art. We can all site anecdotal examples of games that raised goosebumps, made us laugh, or made us cry. Ebert is not the world's definitive voice on aesthetics, and to his credit he made a very qualified statement there - games are not art to him.

    But that's all beside the point. Ebert's comments provide context for a very good article here, one that raises a lot of excellent points. The video game press is extraordinarily pathetic. Something won't be considered "serious" art unless it evokes intelligent critical discussion, not fanboy-esque 8 page reviews that focus on the graphics, speculate on the frame rate, and the quality of the sound.

    Imagine if all art were reviewed the way video games were. If Premiere gave movies ratings on their special effects, if Rolling Stone scored music according to the sound quality of the recording, if the New York times spent long periods of time talking about how good the typeset was of the new Phillip Roth novel. Who would read such garbage? Why do we?

    Great art - perhaps even true art - transcends its medium. Its fans and evangilists don't get caught up in the nuts and bolts. We can acknowledge and admire the Mona Lisa's revolutionary use of perspective, but that's not what stirs our emotioins when we look at it.

  7. Debate Fu by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Once a student of Master Huang publicly lost a debate. As was the custom, he reported to his teacher to be disciplined for his failure. The disciple said, "Master, I am ashamed to report I have suffered a humiliating public defeat."

    "How is this possible?" his teacher asked, "Have you not trained eight years under my tutelage?

    "My opponent was an authority. I could not overpower him." sighed the student.

    Master Huang replied, "It matters not. All opponents are equally defeatable. Did you not learn the First Precept?"

    "As we all did on our first day of training: 'Ignorance is the foundation of debate. That which is understood is not debatable.' But I did not understand the topic at all, and I still lost!" whined the student.

    "Idiot!" exclaimed the master, "Your ignorance is not at issue, it is your opponent's. He who understands this cannot be defeated, even by the Jade Emporer."

    "But my opponent was skillful! He does nothing but argue about pointless matters all day! How can I a student of only eight years defeat such a man?"

    Master Huang was moved to pity, and decided to give the student one last lesson. "I see you have not learned," Master Huang said. "Either I am a poor teacher or your are dull student. Nonetheless I will try one last time to teach your the use of the First Precept. Attack me as your opponent did!"

    "Master I dare not!" exclaimed the student, "You are most venerable and I do not wish to dishonor you!"

    "You dishonor me by your cowardice!" roared the Master. "Show me your opponent's attack!"

    The student reluctantly began, "Games are not art..." but was instantly dumbfounded to find himself upside-down and flying through the air. "This is most wondrous!" thought the student, as he watched entire continents slip away below him. He began to wonder how far he would travel, when he suddently slammed into something hard and fell to the ground. He looked up in wonder to behold the Seven Pillars of Heaven. He had been hurled twelve thousand li in a space of a few breaths.

    The student felt a pang of concern as to how he would return, when a sound drew his attention. He was stupefied to see Master Huang relieving himself on one of the Pillars. "Master, how did you arrive here so quickly?"

    "Quickly!" laughed the master, "I could gone to each of these Pillars in turn, peed on it, and returned in the time it took you to get here!"

    "How is this possible master!" cried the student, "Teach me the secret I beg you!"

    Master Huang said nothing but pointed high on the Pillars. The student saw that each pillar had a word inscribed on it in characters like flame as tall as an earthly mountain. Together these words made the phrase:


    HE DEFINES HIS TERMS, YOU DISPUTE THEM.
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