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Law Requires Italian Web Cafes to Record ID

Armadni General writes "CNN is reporting that a new Italian law requires that all businesses offering public internet access, such as web cafes, to identify and record all customers. While supporters of this law trumpet its anti-terrorism potential, still others see no such advantage and bemoan this invasion of personal privacy. 'They must be able, if necessary, to track the sites visited by their clients. [...] Contents of people's e-mail is, however, supposed to remain private and can only be made available to law enforcement through a court order. Italy also obliges telecommunications companies to keep traffic data and European ministers agreed last week to require the carriers to retain records of calls and e-mails for a maximum of two years. The European Parliament's two largest groups endorsed the data retention initiative on Wednesday despite complaints from privacy advocates and telecoms, and the full body is expected to adopt a bill next week.'"

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  1. as an italian... by LkDotCom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's just bad to to have to submit to this law...
    But having to read it on /. is the very bottm... :(

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    1. Re:as an italian... by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

      Aah, so you see now what Americans have to bear with every day: fascistic laws *and* having to read them on /. too :)

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    2. Re:as an italian... by mbaciarello · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's been on the news for months. The proposed bill, announced July 27, has actually been enacted as an executive provision ("decreto ministeriale," ministerial decree) by the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It's now awaiting ratification by Parliament, which is required to make it an official law. It will expire if it's not voted on, or rejected. It's been called "decreto Pisanu," from the name of the signing Minister, since late August.

      Next time, as an Italian, try reading papers or web daily Punto Informatico. The third story is about cafés being raided and closed in Florence for several criminal offences. Some of them have been shut down for 5 days because of violations of "decreto Pisanu," as further proof that this idiotic law is already being enacted.

      What is, to me, the worst part has not been mentioned in the /. blurb. The wording in the law, apparently, makes ID recording mandatory for public WiFi access, as well, independent of the nature of the service - be it paid for, free of charge/public, or a city-wide municipal network. This may very well kill the stuttering penetration of commercial and public WiFi in Italy. Who's going to pay for the guy in charge of checking the validity of, and registering ID for people who want to connect to the library's free wireless network? Or just think of the lines to get registered for the airport's network...

    3. Re:as an italian... by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Still not getting the pattern... soon, open networks will be illegal. Very soon.

      Terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, the answer to ever dictator's dream for total control of a free society. When they were using Russia as an excuse, they used nukes and communism as the basis for militarizing "the free world". That's out the window, now, and even tho China is technically communist, they are the nation principally funding our tax cuts, so we can't use them as the boogieman. They own us. Now, it's an eternal war against a common noun that by definition is unwinnable. How do you defeat "terror"? To keep the war going, all our new masters have to do is go "wooga wooga wooga" and everyone handcuffs themselves to a railing and tip off the new lords about all the suspicious brown people they've noticed.

      1938.

  2. Yay! by Spit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Three cheers for fake ID!

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  3. OK by giorgiofr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Luckily I am well-versed in the ancient art of JAPing over Tor, and I have studied the lost techniques of Knoppix burning.

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  4. This could have worked years ago by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps one or two virus authors could have been caught. Maybe, and then probably not. But today, with all those open wireless networks, the law is pointless. It only affects the poorest people, those who need email, or are trying to find a job online, but don't have a computer at home.

  5. Even Orwell would be shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    First off, I realy think the proposal of the EU minister would have
    merrited a /. article on its own.
    It's such a broad assault on the privacy of European citizens that I
    don't think there is anything comparable in European history, yet, for
    most people who only follow the mainstream press, it's an absolute
    non-story. There is close to no coverage at all.

    To spell it out again, information about all your telephone calls (that
    is, for example, who you called and when), all your email (that is whom
    did you write to and when) and all the websites you visited will be
    recorded and stored for at least 6 months and up to 24 months.

    As to who will be able to use this information, this is of course left
    very vague and surprise, surprise, the music industry is already
    lobbying to have access to this data.

    Really, this proposal that will probably make it through the parliament
    will change Europe in a very, very worrying way and nobody seems to be
    upset about it. It's frustrating and scary.

    P.S.:
    I just read on spiegel online (a german news site), that the Italian law
    leads to a lot of web cafes closing their door, because customers are
    not willing to take this bs.

  6. Same in France :-( by Exaton · · Score: 5, Informative

    Alas ! That the same thing was voted in France a couple weeks ago...

    Bah, our Minister of the Interior, Nicolas Sarkozy, is best buds with the Bush administration, so what can a guy do ? :-(

  7. Part of a coordinated assault on privacy... by pieterh · · Score: 4, Informative

    First, the "Big Brother" directive being forced through the EU which mandates logging of all end-points used in communications.

    Second, the elimination of anonymous access, via cybercafes and pre-paid phone cards. This closes the present loopholes in the implementation of Big Brother.

    Third, the creation of EU-wide databases that are accessible to police forces before criminal acts occur. Yes, this data will be abused, sold, stolen, leaked. It always happens.

    Forth, the creation of new types of "crime". See the French proposal to outlaw free software, proposals to criminalise patent infringement, etc.

    Fifth, the creation of EU juduicial and police structures to enforce these crimes. See EPO tribunals, EU arrest warrant, extradition for crimes like "piracy", etc.

    Interesting to note that all references to "terrorism" were removed from the compromise ammendments that will be voted on Wednesday. This wave of anti-privacy legislation has nothing to do with terrorism (that was just the stick) and everything to do with autocrats in business and in government that feel they have lost control of new technology and will do anything to regain it.

    The real targets of these laws are downloaders, tax evaders, petty and less petty crooks... it'd be justified if the EU was sinking in a sea of crime, but since crime rates have been falling year on year...

    Europe's privacy advocates are rightly worried. It is the sheer speed of the assault (all happening in a few months) that has left most of us staggered. No time to lobby, no time to mount a resistance, almost no time even for journalists to notice what's happening.

    Lastly, and most worryingly for EU citizens, is the way criminal law and new definitions of crime are being created by the unelected Council and Commission burocracy - these groups have basically coerced the European Parliament into accepting "compromises" or being left out of the legislative process completely.

    In other words... we cannot vote these laws away. There is no mechanism for appeal. There is no supreme court. There is no constitution. When French and Dutch voters threw out the consitution, they threw out a last chance for European democracy. If only they had known...

    1. Re:Part of a coordinated assault on privacy... by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 4, Informative

      The single greatest danger to democracy is as you point out the unelected Council and Commission burocracy, which is a cancer in the EU system. Our national politicians don't want to touch the problem because it reveals how powerless they are, instead they try to gloss it over and pass the directive as silently as possible.

      Actually, I think they rather like it. Our UK government tried to get the data retention laws through our Parliament, but they were rejected. No problem! Instead they laundered them through the European Commission, and when they come back they "have to be" enacted because "it's an EU directive". This is the reason why there's such urgency to this matter: the UK needs to get them through while they hold the presidency of the EU, but that ends early next year and moves on to (is it Austria or Finland -- anyway they won't be so keen on these laws).

      Rich.

  8. Re:Italian bureacracy by mbaciarello · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know what ISP you were trying to sign up for, or when, but at present they require a billing address and so-called "codice fiscale," fiscal code, which is a code constructed from your name, place and date of birth. It's a univocal identifier for every citizen, and is usually required for billing purposes.

    Sometimes citizenship/legal residence is (inadvertently?) required for even the most trivial tasks in many places. Try reloading a Cingular pre-paid phone over the phone: if your credit card's billing address is not in the US, it won't work. And the operators will helpfully suggest you get an American credit card to work around the problem...

  9. Re:qui bono by pieterh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Engineering a crisis" does not necessarily mean planting bombs. It can mean training extremists, over decades, perhaps to fight wars in places like Afghanistan, and then when these extremists turn and attack their original sponsors, leaving the doors open. See the BBC documentary, "the Power of Nightmares" for a good analysis of how both sides (western and islamic extremists) have created conflict in order to hold onto power.

    The most convincing argument I've heard against the conspiracy theories is that it would require a level of capability that is beyond the general incompetence that defines most government. I don't accept that any government possesses a sense of morality. Indeed, the state is driven by the ammoral self-interest of individuals, and without checks and balances, the state generally becomes extremist.

    The current assault on European civil society is so well orchestrated that it shows how efficient the state can be when it is really motivated. So no, I don't think it's nonsense to accept the possibility that "terrorism" is so useful to the current crop of politicians that if it had not existed, they'd have gone and created it.