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Wikipedia Hoax Author Confesses

cmholm writes "As reported in The Seattle Times, Nashville resident Brian Chase has publically admitted that he edited a Wikipedia entry for John Seigenthaler, making appear that Mr. Seigenthaler was involved in the assassination of JFK. Mr. Chase fessed up after a cyber-sleuth tracked down the business from which he had posted to Wikipedia."

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  1. Since when... by Red+Samurai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Has Wikipedia been a solid information resource? It shouldn't be taken THAT seriously...

    1. Re:Since when... by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How come this is modded as flamebait? Wikipedia is *not* a reliable source of information. It is a very good place to start researching a topic but any information needs to be confirmed with a second, external source.

      Wikipedia is very useful and I use it myself for papers and research projects but it shouldn't be considered solid due to it's changable nature (articles get updated all the time, people can post wrong information etc).

      By all means use wikipedia as an information resource, but also make sure that you another source that validates the information.

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    2. Re:Since when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Because /.ers, while ridiculing people who are overly opinionated and dont write fact, are hypocrits. If its not pro-google, pro-linux, pro-wiki, pro-mac, then its flamebait.

      In a way its true though, since we all know this site is especially fanatic about those above topics, so any speech written against them *is* flamebait when you take audience into account. However this doesnt say much for fair and ubiased communication on slashdot, does it?

      I dont have karma to burn, so Im a coward ;) Think of it as reaffirming foucault in Discipline and Punish, where the norm is the opinions of slashdot and moderation reinforces those norms by punishing people who do not agree with the "norm" opinion of slashdot.

  2. Cybersleuth, indeed by kalpol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The guy did a whois on the IP address and he's made to sound like a regular Sherlock Holmes.

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    1. Re:Cybersleuth, indeed by k98sven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are a lot more people to hero-worship me thinks.

      So? News flash, buddy:
      Not everyone who gets attention deserves it.
      Not everyone who deserves attention wants it.

      You're acting as if recognition and attention were the main reasons people hack on F/OSS software. It isn't, and never has been. If it's attention you want, you're better off candidating for some reality-TV show.

      Lot more work goes into making GCC capable for professional work than hacking decss together [keep in mind most incarnations of decss tools were CRAP for the longest while at first].
       
      .. so they deserve more recognition? Well, boo-hoo. That's not how the world works. If you want recognition, you've got to promote yourself. Or get someone else to promote you. Eric Raymond has made a nice career out of his (relatively meagre, in this context) contributions to FOSS.

      Thing is, most don't really care for broad recognition. That's not why they're doing it. I don't see what your problem is? Jealousy?

      (FWIW, I've got ~45k LOC in libgcj at last count, and as far as I'm concerned, DVD-Jon can have all the spotlight he wants.)

  3. Notable quote by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seigenthaler, founder of the First Amendment Center, said that as a longtime advocate of free speech, he found it awkward to be tracking down someone who had exercised that right. "I still believe in free expression," he said. "What I want is accountability."

    Indeed.

    The problem is that many people believe that actions - including speech - shouldn't have consequences.

    1. Re:Notable quote by luvirini · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Speech of many types has consequences.. everything from inciting to crime to slandering someone can have criminal or civil penalties however you do it.. be it on the street or the net.

    2. Re:Notable quote by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that many people believe that actions - including speech - shouldn't have consequences.

      Freedom of speech, by necessity, includes freedom after speech. In the real world, that usually requires anonymity.


      In this particular situation, the speech involved counts as a stupid joke, or possibly a subtle political jab. If, instead, the relevant Wiki article had included concrete evidence that Bush and Blair lied to the world for the purpose of controlling the world Mango market, or a leaked internal memo showing the Diebold CEO deliberately made defective machines that gave extra votes to Libertarians - Would we still consider it an "abuse" of free speech, or exactly the reason we need free speech?


      Yes, with free speech comes a certain degree of responsibility... On the part of the AUDIENCE. Charlatans and outright liers will always exist, and would even if we didn't have a 1st amendment in the US. Anyone who accepts a single Wiki entry as "proof" of ANYTHING deserves the ridicule they get when more skeptical readers point out the real facts.

    3. Re:Notable quote by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Free - as in "of consequences - to me".

      No. Free of consequences from the state.

      With rights come responsibilities. They are intrinsically linked and inseparable. The problems come when people believe there is, or should be, no relationship between them.

    4. Re:Notable quote by Leiterfluid · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I call shenanigans.

      You're attempting to shift responsibility of speech to the audience, not the speaker. That's blatantly wrong. No one has a right to say exactly what they want, when they want, and how they want 100% of the time without consequence . If I yell "Bomb" in an airport, can I tell the federal agents that have my neck in a knot that I was just trying to get to the front of the line?

      We have a duty to understand the effects of the speech we make. While I agree that anyone who reads a Wikipedia article should take it with a grain of salt, that doesn't mean that persons who intentionally provide misinformation should not be held accountable.

      You're the only person responsible for the words and ideas you convey; to suggest you can't be held accountable for it is simply asinine.

    5. Re:Notable quote by adaml75 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now how accusing someone of being a murderer counts as "subtle political jab"? It's slander and auhtor should be held responsible for it.

    6. Re:Notable quote by maxpublic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wikipedia is not a forum for opinions, it's an encyclopedia.

      Wikipedia is not and never will be an authoritative source on anything. It's the very nature of the beast that makes all information found there suspect. Anyone who uses wikipedia as an authoritative source is a fool.

      Anonymity is not necessary, and only leads people to act irresponsibly.

      The Supreme Court doesn't agree with you, and I'd guess that more people would find them a better source on the value of anonymity than some guy posting on slashdot.

      Max

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  4. Tipp: register to post anonymously by adnonsense · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Mr. Chase had spent the 30 seconds or required to create a Wikipedia account (valid email address not required!) he would have stopped the "cyber-sleuth" (hah) in his tracks. Wikipedia seems to laboring under the apprehension that IP addresses are somehow anonymous, whereas they provide far more information to third parties than an account name does (unless the poster is savvy enough to use a reasonably anonymous proxy not blocked by Wikipedia).

  5. How to use Wikipedia by nephridium · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Wikipedia is one of the greatest resources for knowledge on the web. Not necessarily for the contents of the articles, which obviously range from 'exceptionally well done' to 'nothing but a troll post', but for the links and sources that are supplied at the end of the page that will get you started in getting the "real" information.

    In this respect Wikipedia is actually far more effient than any search engine, because ALL links will point to pages with information on the subject - filtering between 'good' and 'bad' webpages is quite straight forward. This approach will also give you a layer of redundancy which is required when doing good research on any topic.

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  6. Unfortunate by meregistered · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I agree that, on the surface, this seems like it shouldn't be illegal, if this where beleived it could cost Mr. Seigenthaler career opportunities. And, though unlikely, potentially even legal problems.

    My main dissapointment here, however, is that this will decrease the trust of the value of the information on Wikipedia. I have a few friends (these are geeks as well mind you) who don't trust Wikipedia because essentially, 'anyone can write there'. They beleive that there is not enough valid information there; Too much opinion. Of course my response is that even published encyclopedias can include bad information based on opinion. By giving a published encyclopedia no room for doubt we are opening ourselves up to beleif in error, just as we are by not using critical thought processes when reading a Wikipedia entry.

    So back to my dissapointment. Stunts like this while both funny & stupid are also devaluing the otherwise fairly valuable content of Wikipedia.

    -ME®

  7. Re:Uhm by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And if you're blind, hearing the article read out by a screen reader?

    Is a recording of a slander slander or libel?

    Is a public reading of a libel libel or slander?

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  8. Re:Uhm by Golias · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it's designed to control obscenity and pr0nography

    Isn't "any information" an unusual way to spell "obscenity and pornography"?

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  9. By saying that, you too are being hypocritical by koko775 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Clearly, not all Slashdotters are as hypocritical as you make them out to be. Many moderators are willing to give pro-Microsoft, anti-stuffpopularonslashdot ideas mod points, as long as they are interesting and well thought out. It just so happens that, because certain ideas are more popular, that 1) Linux, etc are praised more often and modded up, and 2) The frequency of high-quality posts on Linux, etc. is higher than with the others.

    And THEN you have the asshole moderators. That the GP got modded up is proof that there are conscientious mods who counter-modded the idiot who modded it down.

    So please stop accusing the mass of Slashdotters of hypocrisy. You're treating a crowd as an individual and criticising its aggregate of viewpoints. If that isn't hypocritical, I don't know what is.

  10. What makes you think he was trying to hide? by spideyct · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's my take:
    He did it as a joke. He thought it was inconsequential. He wasn't trying to construct some elaborate consipiracy to implicate the other guy for the assassination. He was basically doing the equivalent of changing the screensaver on computers at Best Buy to say "SpideyCT is cool". It is funny to be able to do something so simple, and because it reaches such a large audience, looks like you did something special.
    So yeah, he could have covered his tracks better, but I bet it never occurred to him to try. Why would it? In fact, if he had tried to cover it up more, it would have looked like he was trying to cover it up, suggesting that he thought he was doing something he could get in trouble for.

  11. If you apply that argument to other rights ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is that many people believe that actions - including speech - shouldn't have consequences.

    Freedom of speech, by necessity, includes freedom after speech. In the real world, that usually requires anonymity.


    Let's see what happens with that claim if applied to other rights:

    "Freedom of religion, by necessity, includes freedom after sacrificing a captured non-believer. In the real world, that usually requires anonymity."

    "Freedom of the press, by necessity, includes freedom after deliberatiely publishing libelous stories that destroy a victim's livelyhood, family, and personal relations. In the real world, that usually requires anonymity."

    "The right to keep and bear arms, by necessity, includes freedom after fatally shooting unamred victims in the back. In the real world, that usually requires anonymity."

    "Freedom of association, by necessity, includes freedom after creating a criminal gang and leading in an ongoing pattern of criminal activity, including murders, robberies, and extortion. In the real world, that usually requires anonymity."

    And so on.

    Sorry, the only true part of your claim is that: "In the real world, that usually requires anonymity."

    Freedom of speech says the government can't make a law blocking you from speeking. It does not mean it can't make it a crime to deliberately or negligently cause harm others using false claims (that you KNOW to be false) as the instrument.

    If, instead, the relevant Wiki article had included concrete evidence that Bush and Blair lied to the world for the purpose of controlling the world Mango market, or a leaked internal memo showing the Diebold CEO deliberately made defective machines that gave extra votes to Libertarians - Would we still consider it an "abuse" of free speech, or exactly the reason we need free speech?

    IANAL, but as I understand it:
      - Truth is an absolute defense against claims of libel.
      - The standard to prove libel is higher for "public persons", such as celebrities (who voluntarily chose to make their living from their noteriety) or politicians, than for ordinary citizens. (In particular (if I have this right), negligence is no longer an issue and the plantif must show malace and/or deliberate falsehood.)
      - The standards are essentially insurmountable when discussing elected officials or political issues. (Thus pundits, and political opponents, can take cheap shots, repeat outrageous and provable lies for years, or accuse their opponents of their own (but not their opponents) sins, in complete immunity. The effectively only need to answer to the "court of public opinion", not to a court of law.)

    Yes, with free speech comes a certain degree of responsibility... On the part of the AUDIENCE. Charlatans and outright liers will always exist, and would even if we didn't have a 1st amendment in the US. Anyone who accepts a single Wiki entry as "proof" of ANYTHING deserves the ridicule they get when more skeptical readers point out the real facts.

    The same can be said of the news media, commercial encyclopedias, printed books, scholarly journals, and every human being whose opinions and stories you pay attention to. Different institutions and different individuals deserve different levels of trust. Even the SAME individual or institution deserves different levels of trust on different subjects (or even at different times in their lifetime or history).

    If you have a medical question, do you trust your doctor, your lawyer, the head of your IT department, or your auto mechanic when their opinions diverge? If you have a question regarding risk-benefit ratio of gun ownership, do you trust articles in a medical or a criminology journal when THEY diverge? And so on.

    But that in no way absoves the author or speaker of THEIR responsibility - especially when they deliberatly construct and publish falsehoods that harm some particular victim.

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