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Wikipedia Hoax Author Confesses

cmholm writes "As reported in The Seattle Times, Nashville resident Brian Chase has publically admitted that he edited a Wikipedia entry for John Seigenthaler, making appear that Mr. Seigenthaler was involved in the assassination of JFK. Mr. Chase fessed up after a cyber-sleuth tracked down the business from which he had posted to Wikipedia."

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  1. Since when... by Red+Samurai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Has Wikipedia been a solid information resource? It shouldn't be taken THAT seriously...

    1. Re:Since when... by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How come this is modded as flamebait? Wikipedia is *not* a reliable source of information. It is a very good place to start researching a topic but any information needs to be confirmed with a second, external source.

      Wikipedia is very useful and I use it myself for papers and research projects but it shouldn't be considered solid due to it's changable nature (articles get updated all the time, people can post wrong information etc).

      By all means use wikipedia as an information resource, but also make sure that you another source that validates the information.

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  2. Turnabout by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's his wiki entry.

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  3. Cybersleuth, indeed by kalpol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The guy did a whois on the IP address and he's made to sound like a regular Sherlock Holmes.

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  4. Notable quote by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seigenthaler, founder of the First Amendment Center, said that as a longtime advocate of free speech, he found it awkward to be tracking down someone who had exercised that right. "I still believe in free expression," he said. "What I want is accountability."

    Indeed.

    The problem is that many people believe that actions - including speech - shouldn't have consequences.

    1. Re:Notable quote by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that many people believe that actions - including speech - shouldn't have consequences.

      Freedom of speech, by necessity, includes freedom after speech. In the real world, that usually requires anonymity.


      In this particular situation, the speech involved counts as a stupid joke, or possibly a subtle political jab. If, instead, the relevant Wiki article had included concrete evidence that Bush and Blair lied to the world for the purpose of controlling the world Mango market, or a leaked internal memo showing the Diebold CEO deliberately made defective machines that gave extra votes to Libertarians - Would we still consider it an "abuse" of free speech, or exactly the reason we need free speech?


      Yes, with free speech comes a certain degree of responsibility... On the part of the AUDIENCE. Charlatans and outright liers will always exist, and would even if we didn't have a 1st amendment in the US. Anyone who accepts a single Wiki entry as "proof" of ANYTHING deserves the ridicule they get when more skeptical readers point out the real facts.

    2. Re:Notable quote by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Free - as in "of consequences - to me".

      No. Free of consequences from the state.

      With rights come responsibilities. They are intrinsically linked and inseparable. The problems come when people believe there is, or should be, no relationship between them.

  5. Public Enemy #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They really need to go after that guy who started that story about the guy who wakes up in a tub of ice without kidneys. That was too creepy. And that Kilroy guy has lied out his ass millions of times. Where exactly is "here?" No one seems to know. Let's hang him.

  6. The conspiracy grows... by gasmonso · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a shocking discovery, it appears that the Wikipedia entry came from the sixth floor of the Dallas book repository.

    gasmonso http://religiousfreaks.com/
  7. Digital signatures with GPG keys by lawpoop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    About a year ago, I posted a discussion to some part of Wikipedia advocating digitally signing articles with GPG keys.

    The plan was that each author, editor, and reader signs off for or against part or the whole of an article. The fallout should be that some articles get nearly universal positive sign offs, some get nearly universal against votes, and some are recorded as controversial. With GPG keys, we can also start ranking authors and editors -- are they generally agreed with, are they controversial, are they trolls. This is a codification of the skepticism that proponents of Wikipedia claim that any internet user should employ.

    Something else I thought would be good would be to have branching articles. For instance, the entry for Hitler would have the main entry, which is the most agreed upon, a white-supremacist/neo-nazi version which stirs a lot of controversy, and maybe a David Icke version, which, while against Hitler, involves space reptiles and is therefore also controversial. Using the ranking and reputation system, a casual user can see how agreeable or controversial an article is.

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    1. Re:Digital signatures with GPG keys by Homology · · Score: 5, Funny
      On second thoughts, wouldn't wikipedia do well with a moderation system ?

      You mean, similar to the one used by Slashdot? /sarcasm

  8. Re:What tool did he use? by JustOK · · Score: 5, Interesting
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  9. Re:Fake News is on the rise by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The September that never ended has finally created a Silly Season that never ends either.

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  10. The irony is delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've got to love a post where someone says to look up "slander", and they never actually looked up "slander".

    You crack me up, dude.

    Slander
    1 : the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
    2 : a false and defamatory oral statement about a person -- compare libel
        -slan£der£ous \-d(-)rs\ adjective
        -slan£der£ous£ly adverb
        -slan£der£ous£ness noun

    (from Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary)

    Perhaps you meant libel?

    Again from Merriams...

    Main Entry: 1li£bel
    Pronunciation: l-bl
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle English, written declaration, from Middle French, from Latin libellus, diminutive of liber book
    Date: 14th century

    Libel
    1 a : a written statement in which a plaintiff in certain courts sets forth the cause of action or the relief sought b archaic : a handbill especially attacking or defaming someone
    2 a : a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b(1) : a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2) : defamation of a person by written or representational means (3) : the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures (4) : the act, tort, or crime of publishing such a libel

  11. Tipp: register to post anonymously by adnonsense · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Mr. Chase had spent the 30 seconds or required to create a Wikipedia account (valid email address not required!) he would have stopped the "cyber-sleuth" (hah) in his tracks. Wikipedia seems to laboring under the apprehension that IP addresses are somehow anonymous, whereas they provide far more information to third parties than an account name does (unless the poster is savvy enough to use a reasonably anonymous proxy not blocked by Wikipedia).

  12. How to use Wikipedia by nephridium · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Wikipedia is one of the greatest resources for knowledge on the web. Not necessarily for the contents of the articles, which obviously range from 'exceptionally well done' to 'nothing but a troll post', but for the links and sources that are supplied at the end of the page that will get you started in getting the "real" information.

    In this respect Wikipedia is actually far more effient than any search engine, because ALL links will point to pages with information on the subject - filtering between 'good' and 'bad' webpages is quite straight forward. This approach will also give you a layer of redundancy which is required when doing good research on any topic.

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  13. Re:What tool did he use? by fatboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I bet he did what I just did.

    [fatboy@localhost fatboy]$ host 65.81.97.208
    208.97.81.65.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer adsl-065-081-097-208.sip.bna.bellsouth.net.

    Bellsouth, like many ISPs, use airport city codes in the RR to show the nearest city. bna is Nashville International Airport.

    Go to the IP address in a browser. It returns the simple message "Welcome to Rush Delivery.

    Search google for "Rush Delivery" nashville, and there you have it.

    No big deal.

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  14. I am Mr. Cyber-Sleuth by Everyman · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a chronology of how it was traced at the bottom of this page.

    I am no genius. There was one chance in 10,000 that there would be a server on that IP address, and that it would be up when I tried it on impulse (it timed out during nightime hours during all of last week).

    Mr. Seigenthaler is very gracious in complimenting me, but I am no genius. Anyone who knows the difference between an IP address and a hot-dog with mustard could have done the same thing. That includes dozens, or maybe hundreds, of Wikipedians. But they didn't bother now, did they?

    It was a pleasure to work with Mr. Seigenthaler on this trace. He is an amazing, accomplished person, and I have a huge amount of respect for him. Before his Wikipedia story came out, I wasn't aware of him.

    He's the genius, although it is true that I know more about Internet infrastructure than he does. But I know nothing that would impress all the clever Slashdotters reading this, I'm sure.

    1. Re:I am Mr. Cyber-Sleuth by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wow. So you're Danial Brandt? Mr Google-watch? I've always found you to be a rather facinating character.

      Honestly - if you didn't have an axe to grind with Google, and then Wikipedia... would you have even bothered to do this?

    2. Re:I am Mr. Cyber-Sleuth by Linuxbeak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know something, Daniel, I thought somewhat higher of you. I didn't know that you were such a publicity hunter.

      I'm not saying that what Mr. Chase did is defendable. It's not. However, all things considered, it wasn't that big of a deal; you found Mr. Chase out, caused him to have enough inner conflict to apologize to Mr. Seigenthaler in person (not to mention resign from his job), and scored a point for your anti-defamation campaign. So far, so good.

      But wait! I thought you were a champion of privacy!

      I'm noticing a rather disturbing trend here. On your wikipedia-watch.org/hivemind.html page, you list several people (myself included; I'm sure you'll add another juicy tidbit to my section) which you want to get personal information (such as home addresses, age, schools, information about offspring, etc.) about. You also list several quotes which, if taken out of context, seem to be rather hostile towards you. However, those comments are in fact blatantly out of context. Additionally, when you yourself were an editor on Wikipedia, your contribution page (at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions /Daniel_Brandt) shows that you were not only disruptive, but a full-blown troll! No WONDER why they banned you!

      I think you're the most dedicated hypocritical crackpot that the Internet has ever seen. I don't see your above post as "modest"; in fact, I find it quite disgusting. It's just *dripping* with brownnose comments ("It was a pleasure to work with Mr. Seigenthaler on this trace. He is an amazing, accomplished person, and I have a huge amount of respect for him." "He's the genius." "...all the clever Slashdotters...").

      Guess what, Daniel! The world doesn't revolve around you, and your self-righteous crusade against Wikipedia is misguided at best.