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BitComet Banned From Private Trackers

An anonymous reader writes "Slyck news is reporting that because BitComet does not recognize the 'private flag' on torrents originating from pirate BitTorrent trackers, this client is being banned from these communities. Private trackers are finding their torrents spread via the private DHT layer, allowing leechers to bypass ratios and download content freely."

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  1. Changing BitComet's User-Agent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is there a way to change the 'user-agent' of bitcomet to make trackers think it's another client?

    1. Re:Changing BitComet's User-Agent by InvalidError · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The BC people could simply generate bogus agents or no agent at all.

      Trying to enforce artificial tracker-centric limits is pointless. Leeches and "freeloaders" can mod Azureus and other OSS BT clients to bypass/ignore artificial restrictions like 'private flag' and ratios. For ratios/leech-ban, anyone can mod an OSS client to make it report an arbitrary yet plausible upload count, a simple form of which could be U(n) = U(n-1) + k1 * (0.5+rnd()) * (D(n) - D(n-1) + k0). (where 0 = rnd() = 1 and k0/k1 are used to tweak the simulated traffic profile)... or even simpler than that, append an extra random digit to the upload volume and the ratio magically goes from 1:10 to 1:1.

      BT is one of the dumbest KISS protocols out there, keeping things locked up is one of the many things it was not designed/intended to do. Banning BC will only cause people to mod other BT clients to achieve their desired results and send BC-ban-happy sites back to the drawing boards.

    2. Re:Changing BitComet's User-Agent by chowells · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How about they try to fix the bug which has caused it to be banned?

  2. In English? by gbulmash · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Private trackers are finding their torrents spread via the private DHT layer, allowing leechers to bypass ratios and download content freely.

    And that means what in English?

    Actually, it becomes a bit clearer when you read TFA. Apparently there are private torrent sharing communities that don't want to broadly distribute files, just share amongst themselves. This one BitTorrent client, BitComet, does not respect the keep-out signs, so such communities are having to be more proactive about keeping BitComet users from trespassing.

    Or at least that's what I think it means.

    - Greg

  3. private/pirate by Chmarr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The title says "private trackers", but the text says "Pirate trackers" once... Is this a typo, or fruedian?? :)

  4. ratio is a hare-brained idea anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People who think they're a good idea really oughta read up on Pareto Efficiency.

  5. I guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When a friend of yours asks to borrow a DVD of yours, do you answer "I'm sorry, I'm not authorized to loan, only to watch this myself?"

  6. Re:Azureus Is Shite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Actually, application benchmarks show GCJ to be much slower than dynamic compilation. Google or run your own. Dynamic compilation can do every optimization that static compilation can and then more.

    Any static compiler can be turned into a dynamic compiler, which gives the dynamic compiler the 100% exact same optimizations as the old static compiler had. And then you can start adding optimizations static compilers can't do.

  7. Cry me a river by Julian+Morrison · · Score: 1, Interesting

    These "private" sties IMO exist basically to screw over the BT community in one way or another. I mean, WHY take registration, require ratios, limit users, etc? Do these people not grok the essence of BT? If there are enough seeds then the leechers don't matter. No, it seems to me that what these people are doing is trying to enforce unnecessary and ridiculously anal rules, ripping people off for their saleable demographics, and then getting huffy when (get this) an uncooperative program pirates their pirated content. Well boo effing hoo. Cry me a frickin' river.

  8. Screwing with the spec hurts everybody. by DeHackEd · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This whole DHT (trackerless) thing has broken private clients from the start.

    The 'private' flag was introduced probably by Azureus when they made their own DHT. People should have banned it (it = Azureus) right then and there because adding the 'private' flag broke every torrent in existance that wanted to keep private.

    Mainline/official supports their own DHT, but only uses it if a torrent is explicitly marked as trackerless. This is probably best for sites that want to stay private, but people have been bitching that "if the tracker goes down, I can't download. Therefore DHT rules."

    So personally they can all go to hell for breaking our stuff. (Well, except for mainline).

  9. Rogers Cable in Canada banning bittorrent by aok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They've implemented some content-inspection filtering (privacy issues?) and in the last week or so, my bittorrents stopped working completely. Most of my friends are affected, some are just severely throttled to 3kB/s while some are fine.

    I'm completely blocked and can't even download .torrent files from websites unless the .torrent file itself is small enough to get through in the first couple of packets before the block takes place.

    The only way around it so far has been to use BitComet or Azureus with encrypted BT headers enabled.

    I had called and got them to admit it although the people I talked with where morons...one guy was like, "well I noticed my own WinMX stopped working but it works on my friend's computer so I figured it's my own fault". That was his story to initially blame me for the problem.

    Btw, I wasn't an abuser. I was trying to download an Ubuntu AMD-64 ISO for the past week before running tcpdump and seeing the traffic look like it had some delayed blocking. Then I googled...

  10. Re:Private torrent communities by tjp368 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, not quite. The effort barrier required to create a torrent is probably what makes BT have better quality files than other networks. A person who figures out how to make a proper torrent and then takes the time to seed it probably will share a better file than someone who puts a half completed file in his "share directory" or shares his windows folder. Most people probably also wouldn't bother to create and seed a torrent of a half completed file, unless they're RIAA. As long as BT requires some effort to share files, the quality should remain ok.

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  11. Re:They don't get it, share ratio doesn't matter by The+Raven · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This could have been insightful... but, you see, I've been on those private sites, and I've been out in the public Bittorrent sites. Surprise surprise, the public sites are a lot slower.

    Sure you'll be able to eventually get a torrent anywhere, as long as you keep one seed out. But who wants 'eventually'. Private torrent communities almost always have fewer broken torrents, faster downloads, and less stalls. So real world experimentation seems to prove your theory wrong. Time to make a new theory.

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  12. Re:They don't get it, share ratio doesn't matter by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought the whole idea behind BT was that it had built-in economics? If somebody is downloading and not uploading (say by using a hacked client, or highly limiting upload rate), then other clients will deprioritize traffic to them.

    As long as you're uploading anytime that you're downloading - who cares if you're contributing files or not?

    My guess is that the reason for the higher speeds on the private trackers is that the elite community becomes a selection filter for folks who like to nurse their BT clients (not closing them down as soon as they're done, having high speed lines, etc). And, they probably tend to filter out folks with asymmetric links - which would tend to degrade BT performance. However, somebody with a symmetric link should get good BT performance on any site - as long as the tracker isn't overloaded and folks aren't using modded clients.