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This Text Message Will Self Destruct

mwilliamson writes "Silicon.com is reporting that Staellium UK (cell provider) has created a protocol in which text messages disappear after 40 seconds. This, of course, relies on the implementation of the protocol in the device used to display the message. They're touting a future roll out for photos as well, and service in the US."

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  1. Does anyone see a different story? by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting


    For me, the first thing that comes to mind from "self destructing SMS" is the advertising potential. Combined with a locator, you could now receive "Eat at Wendy's!" messages that expire so you don't have to delete them.

    I don't really see it happening, but advertising in the old markets (TV, radio, newsprint) is not returning as big of a response as it used to. They'll always try to find more direct ways to advertise, and I wouldn't be surprised if this move is a predecessor to more direct advertising schemes.

    Hopefully I'll be able to opt-in rather than opt-out of any such programs.

    FWIW, I just can't imagine that people are SMS'ing proprietary information. If its private and confidential, keep it on paper (preferably typed with a typewriter). Digital information will always be too insecure.

    1. Re:Does anyone see a different story? by metlin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      FWIW, I just can't imagine that people are SMS'ing proprietary information. If its private and confidential, keep it on paper (preferably typed with a typewriter). Digital information will always be too insecure.

      Oh, no. You'd be surprised.

      At a certain national lab I used to work at, people used to SMS system login information - of course, the presence of additional security (e.g. a Cryptocard which is basically like an RSA random number generator tag) minimized the risks of someone breaking into the system, but you'd be surprised.

    2. Re:Does anyone see a different story? by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know here is what I was thinking:

      Not sure what to get for the WorldCom/Enron executive on your Christmas list who has everything? Well look no further! Now available just in time for the holdidays, the self destructing SMS client!!! Works with all the speed and convience of a regular SMS client, but without the pesky audit trail those nosey SEC investigators are always looking for! The perfect gift for that special someone who just dosen't have the time to fully cover up their embezellment/fraud! Saving someone a prison sentence shows you really care.

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    3. Re:Does anyone see a different story? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Oh, no. You'd be surprised.

      At a certain national lab I used to work at, people used to SMS system login information - of course, the presence of additional security (e.g. a Cryptocard which is basically like an RSA random number generator tag) minimized the risks of someone breaking into the system, but you'd be surprised.

      Indeed. I know if I walk around my office, I'm forced to conclude that probably 10-20% of all of our corporate communications are happening over MSN and Yahoo IM networks.

      It seems everyone uses these wonderfully convenient things without ever stopping to realize that all of their data is travelling over someone else's network and that they have no control over it. I wouldn't be at all surprised that you could probably violate insider laws at dozens of companies just by being able to intercept MSN's traffic.

      I complain about it frequently (I won't use MSN) but nobody seems to care that all of our internal decision making is way more public than we'd like to think. And this seems to travel from board-level down to the rest of us plebes -- it's almost become the defacto method of commincations.

      Scary stuff, but people will use third party technologies for the damndest things without giving it a second thought.

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  2. One more reason... by Gruneun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As if the average person wasn't already running under the assumption that they were somehow anonmyous in their electronic communications. Frankly, I wouldn't knowingly buy a phone that implemented this protocol and didn't allow it to be toggled.

  3. Oh, goodie ... by kitzilla · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... a new messaging protocol demanding my IMMEDIATE response. I don't have enough electronic intrusion from my cellphone and email already. This is great. My boss will love it.

    Text messaging reduced to the level of that arcade game where alligators poke up through holes, and you have to hit them on the head before they disappear. Maybe I can try this while driving, just to make it more interesting.

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  4. Based on Microsoft technology by LightningBolt! · · Score: 4, Funny

    "No additional technology was required beyond [Microsoft] IIS," said a spokesman, "Once the message is read, the server crashes, and subsequent attempts to read the message fail. As they say, a crashed server is a secure server."

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  5. Stallman got it right, again by billybob2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Richard Stallman correctly predicted this was going to happen as a result of of DRM, also known as Digital Restrictions Management, Treacherous Computing, or Handcuffware. To quote from his essay "Can you trust your computer?":

    ...There are plans to use the same facility for email and documents--resulting in email that disappears in two weeks, or documents that can only be read on the computers in one company.

    Imagine if you get an email from your boss telling you to do something that you think is risky; a month later, when it backfires, you can't use the email to show that the decision was not yours. "Getting it in writing" doesn't protect you when the order is written in disappearing ink.

    Imagine if you get an email from your boss stating a policy that is illegal or morally outrageous, such as to shred your company's audit documents, or to allow a dangerous threat to your country to move forward unchecked. Today you can send this to a reporter and expose the activity. With treacherous computing, the reporter won't be able to read the document; her computer will refuse to obey her. Treacherous computing becomes a paradise for corruption...

  6. Interested Customer by mrRay720 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please sign me up for your new service.

    Love and kisses,
    Paris Hilton.

  7. This already exists by felipecoury · · Score: 5, Funny

    This kind of message already exists for GSM mobile phones. It's called WIG Push (SIM Browsing or SAT) messages. They are visible for a short time and vanish after a timeout.

    For more information check http://www.smarttrust.com./

    Regards!

  8. I predict by this+great+guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I predict:

    • bad implementations which will only delete the message's metadata instead of the data itself (which will remain visible in the memory chip, and forensic investigations will be able to recover deleted text messages)
    • hacked phone firmwares that will violate the protocol by allowing users to prevent the deletion
    • people who will think this technology is secure but will realize later how easy it is to circumvent

    From my personal point of view this "auto descruction" feature should only be seen as a convenience where phones autodelete messages to keep enough free memory space.

  9. Re:Nooo! by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Funny

    > My ASCII Porn! 40 seconds isn't nearly enough!

    Unfortunately, it is for me...

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  10. Great Idea by ehaggis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like a great idea. What happens if you can't finish reading it in ti..

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  11. Re:You're slipping Slashdot by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am sure almost every article on Slashdot was "reported" elsewhere beforehand.

    That is not the point. Some of us simply don't have the time to check a million other websites, instead we use Slashdot and a handful few others that can filter out stuff of interest.

    Maybe if you subscribed to a couple of hundred tech-blogs, you might end up knowing half the headlines on Slashdot. But it's much easier to just read it on Slashdot, in one place, when I can be sure that it will eventually show up.

    It was a couple of days late. So what? By the time the service would be available, it would be more than a few days later.

    I do not understand this obsession with, "Oooh, I saw this on $foo 32 minutes and 23 seconds ago. Slashdot is SLOWWWWWWWWWWW."

    Big deal. Some of us don't really care, as long as we hear about it somehow. Slashdot is primarily a forum, if you are a news junkie, look at other sources.

    *shakes head*

  12. The only problem is, it doesn't really work ... by tyrions · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... because the system simply sends a WAP push to a page which expires after a given period of time - the request is made over plain HTTP. The problem is that WAP gateways often choose to ignore the "no-cache" directives as do a lot of WAP browsers, which means that the message remains in the cache and can still be read both by the client and the gateways along the route after it has expired. A quick test we ran showed the messages being stored on the memory of a phone even thought it wasn't supposed to be cached. Also, it is always possible to simply save the page source to a different file on the phone.

    A mobile software consultancy I work for is actually working on a project for a client which takes things a step further by encrypting the traffic from the server to the client and allowing the user to read it only via a J2ME MIDlet which never stores the messages to the RMS (persistent storage). For more information check out www.simtext.com

  13. Don't ask... don't tell... by DaedalusLogic · · Score: 4, Funny

    well, exactly that is the point. there's a little 007 in every real british man :-)

    Where british men store their action figures is their own business...

  14. URBAN LEGEND by Fiver- · · Score: 4, Informative

    Did you just copy and paste that directly from a forwarded email? Snopes.com has the same words, almost verbatim. And of course it's bullshit.