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Telcos Propose 2-Tier Internet

cshirky writes "Boston.com is reporting that 'AT&T Inc. and BellSouth Corp. are lobbying Capitol Hill for the right to create a two-tiered Internet, where the telecom carriers' own Internet services would be transmitted faster and more efficiently than those of their competitors.' The telcos basic fear, of course, is that the end to end design of the net (PDF version) will erode the telcos ability to use service charges to generate revenue for delivering video and voice; the proposed solution is to break end-to-end in order to protect pricing leverage over the users." We reported on this at the beginning of the month, when it was just speculation. Not any more.

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  1. This will never happen by borgheron · · Score: 3, Informative

    For one thing, it would require a radical change in how the internet currently works. TCP/IP was designed around the whole idea of having no central routing (note, I didn't say naming) authority. This is one of the features which make it resilient to damage, since the network can adapt to nodes which suddenly might go dark.

    This, after all, was the whole purpose of it, since ARPANET was intended to be resilient to enemy attack if parts of it were taken out.

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    1. Re:This will never happen by Bishop · · Score: 4, Informative

      it would require a radical change in how the internet currently works

      No it wouldn't. It is a common myth. TCP/IP was desgined to allow for dumb routers so that it is resiliant to damage. But TCP/IP does not enforce this feature. There is nothing to prevent smart routers from prioritising packets or simply dropping packets into the void. There is nothing preventing AT&T from closeing their massive network and disconnecting it from the Internet. The rest of the Internet will continue to function as designed, but that is little comfort to whose people who are left with an inferior network at a higher price.

  2. Re:Why ask Congress? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    If companies want to try to create supernets for their customers to better access each other, I say allow them to.

    It isn't about them trying to create a supernet, it's about them breaking the current 'Net and inserting them selves between the end points. then they can prioritize traffic based on who coughs up the most money to them. No $$ = no access.

    This isn't a suppliment to what has become, in essence, a Utility.

    Unfortunately, with the current Administration's track record on pro-corporation, pro-Internet regulation, this proposal should look mighty juicy indeed. This will give them two things they always wanted. An easy wat to regulate/control the Internet, and more $$ for their friends.

  3. Re:Time for another breakup? by xs650 · · Score: 5, Informative
    So the last ones standing are AT&T and SBC. And they will merge very soon,

    It already happened on November 21st of this year.

    http://www.schwabpt.com/downloads/support/T_SBC_21 Nov05v3.pdf

    "Important Information about the new AT&T Inc. The AT&T Corp. ("AT&T") and SBC Communications Inc. ("SBC") merger completed effective November 21, 2005. The newly formed company is known as AT&T Inc. Initially AT&T shares will be exchanged for SBC shares under the 'SBC' ticker symbol. On December 1st, 2005, the newly formed company will take back the symbol 'T'"

  4. Re:Time for another breakup? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The DOJ's budget was $23.4 billion dollars last year, as opposed to $21 billion in 2000. By the DOJ's AntiTrust division's own reports, its budget has gone up, even with respect to inflation: DOJ Budget Trend Data, Antitrust Division.

  5. Re:Why ask Congress? by pthisis · · Score: 5, Informative
    Because the wires wouldn't have gotten run without eminent domain.

    Prove this. The original telegraphy and radiotelegraphy was created without government funding or mandate.


    Absolutely untrue. The original telegraph companies had government-backed eminent domain powers. Further, they often relied on railroad landed (acquired through eminent domain). There were constant battles between the two; see, for instance, Western Union Tel Co v. Pennsylvania R Co, 195 U.S. 594 (1904), available at: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?c ourt=us&vol=195&invol=594

    The Pennsylvania statute (mentioned in that ruling) granting eminent domain to the telegraph company was absolutely typical, and telegraph companies in the US relied on such mandates. Normally such power was granted to a single company, giving it a monopoly in the state or region.
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  6. Re:This leads directly to fraud (hear me out) by chill · · Score: 4, Informative

    This means that my customer is not getting the full 1.54mbps bandwidth their SLA guarantees, and by effect neither would I. This is {potentially} interference with interstate commerce and is also discriminatory in deciding whose traffic goes where, not to mention breach of contract (violating the SLA).

    Wrong.

    You'll get the full T1 from your termination point to theirs. That is ALL the SLA covers. You are not guaranteed any type on link to other networks at all. Never ever. Telcos don't guarantee service on their competitors networks.

    What most people dont' realize is that the common carriers DO THIS ALREADY. The connection equipment of choice is ATM, and that supports QoS. Leased circuits were configured with QoS depending on what was paid for by the customer. As a field engineer at Lucent, it was explicitly explained to us "see that level there, marked 'no guarantee, best effort'? That is all the Internet traffic -- lowest priority there is."

    However, all this is done at the network level and not the transport level. Major carriers routinely ran their own circuits high priority. Anyone else who paid for one, also got high priority circuits. Everone else got 'best effort' links. Links where they didn't control both endpoints, like to a competitor thru a peering agreement, were 'best effort'.

    The fuss is not that the carriers are doing this, it is that they want to do this further up the stack. They want to become more than carriers and get into the realm of "content providers". Thus, not just provide the wires, but the stuff on the wires as well. This is where they run afoul of the existing laws.

    In essence, they want to do QoS at the TCP level. Personally, I think that is fine by me as long as it is TARRIFED like services are now. If SBC wants to do it for SBC produced content, they have to charge that division the same as if it was a Google, Yahoo or NBC service. The "premium" costs the same no matter WHO you are.

    I'd love to have end-to-end QoS available, even if at a premium.

      -Charles

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