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Hubble finds Mass of White Dwarf

Chris Bradshaw writes "The mass of the nearest white dwarf star to Earth has been measured accurately for the first time. from the article: 'Sirius B is just 12,000 km (7,500 miles) in diameter, similar to Earth, but its mass is 98% that of the Sun. Studying Sirius B has been difficult because of the bright light coming from its neighbour Sirius A, the "Dog Star." The results, published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, come from astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope.'"

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  1. More on White Dwarfs... by Cherita+Chen · · Score: 5, Informative
    It's important to note that with out supplemental information from other sources, this would not have been possible. another space-born observatory that has aided greatly in the study of white dwarfs Here

    additionally, more can be found on the white dwarfs in general Here.

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    1. Re:More on White Dwarfs... by omeg · · Score: 2, Informative

      And here.

  2. Interesting Background... by guygee · · Score: 5, Informative

    not mentioned in the article, at http://columbia.thefreedictionary.com/Sirius

    Selected excerpt:

    "Sirius A is about twice the size of the sun and about 20 times as luminous. It is also one of the nearest stars, lying at a distance of 8.7 light-years, so that it has been studied extensively. From an analysis of its motions, F. W. Bessel concluded (1844) that it had an unseen companion, which was later (1862) confirmed by observation. The companion, Sirius B, is a white-dwarf star and has also been the object of considerable study because it is the first white dwarf whose spectrum was found to exhibit a gravitational red shift, as predicted by the General Theory of Relativity."

    1. Re:Interesting Background... by anandsr · · Score: 1, Informative

      I have just a little bit of trouble with the Red Shift Prediction. Actually GR does not unambiguously predict a Red Shift. Actually the /\ factor was added before to have a static universe, then it was removed when the Red Shift was observed, and now it has been readded with a reversed sign to account for an accelarating expansion. So it is a case of fine tuning.

  3. Re:Time to update Wikipedia? by The+Wannabe+King · · Score: 2, Informative
    Yes. If you read on, you'll find the mass of Sirius B given as approximately that of the Sun.

    The upper limit, known as the Chandrasekhar limit, for a white dwarf is 1.4 solar masses (more or less).

  4. Re:Time to update Wikipedia? by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Informative
    Many white dwarfs are approximately the size of the Earth, typically 100 times smaller than the Sun. They may have the same mass as the Sun and so are very compact.

    Do they really vary in density that much?

    Yes. White dwarfs vary in density a whole lot; degenerate gases behave quite oddly. If you add matter to a white dwarf, it actually gets a little smaller. The limit is about 1.4 solar masses, at which point the white dwarf collapses to form a neutron star.

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  5. Re:Time to update Wikipedia? by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Informative
    if the mass of a white dwarf goes over 1.4 solar masses, the gravitational collapse is strong enough to trigger a supernova explosion. In other words, at masses greater than the Chandrasekhar limit, the (inward) gravitational pressure overcomes the (outward) thermal/fusion pressure, thus causing a collapse and the ignition of most of the remainder of the stars fuel, thus the supernova explosion.

    Right idea, wrong mechanism.

    A white dwarf is not supported by thermal pressure, or by nuclear fusion; it is supported by degeneracy pressure between electrons, a consequence of the exclusion principle in quantum mechanics that forbids two electrons from occupying the same quantum state.

    1.4 solar masses is correctly given as the critical point at which gravity prevails over the internal pressure; at this point, the star switches from degeneracy pressure between electrons to degeneracy pressure between neutrons, in the process dropping considerably more than the weight of the Sun from the size of the Earth to something more like the size of Belgium, through an enormously strong gravitational field. This releases an awful lot of energy, and is the main power source for such a supernova.

    There's another type of supernova which is driven by fusion, but that's more typical of accretion systems in which the infalling matter has heated the white dwarf sufficiently to reignite fusion processes; then the fusion reaction is an uncontrolled runaway and can wholly disrupt the star.

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  6. redshift by t0ddsh3rman · · Score: 2, Informative

    The BBC article cited in the main post has no mention of the redshift associated with this whitedrawf. It just says "The mass calculations are based on how the star's light is distorted by its neighbour's intense gravitational field." This New Scientist article reporting on the same news does mention redshift - I like redshift: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8460&f eedId=space_rss20 Other info on redshit can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift

  7. Re:Time to update Wikipedia? by J_Darnley · · Score: 0, Informative
    When the grandparent said smaller he meant in terms of diameter/radius. The mass they pick up from a companion star causes them to shrink in diameter, a small amount though until they hit the Chandrasehkar limit and explode. From Wikipedia:
    "For some white dwarfs the accreted material, which is usually hydrogen rich, will light up in a nuclear explosion and leave the core of the star intact. This phenomenon can be repeated as long as accretion material is available."
    So obviously they don't just dissapear. The core must remain to regather what ever material is left.
  8. Re:Time to update Wikipedia? by ajpr · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think Neutron stars are around 20km diameter (size of a small city), quite a bit smaller than Belgium. Plus, they often spin very quickly due to the conservation of angular momentum (think of the ice skaters spinning with arms stretched compared to closed thing).

  9. Re:When by stevelinton · · Score: 2, Informative

    Detectig and studying non-luminous objects like Buffy is a lot harder than luminous ones like Sirius B.

  10. Re:Time to update Wikipedia? by Phanatic1a · · Score: 2, Informative

    This releases an awful lot of energy, and is the main power source for such a supernova.

    What type of supernova? Simply collapsing to a neutron star doesn't *cause* a supernova, although a neutron star can be a supernova remnant.

    It sounds like you're saying that if you have a white dwarf sitting there, and it accretes mass from some other source, like a binary companion, when its mass grows to be greater than the C-limit, it collapses into a neutron star, and that the energy released in the collapse generates a supernova.

    That's not the case. If you have a white dwarf sitting there, and it accretes enough mass to go over that limit, then basically what happens is that carbon begins to fuse. It happens everywhere, throughout the star, and you wind up with a carbon detonation supernova, a Type 1a supernova. It's not the energy of gravitational collapse which blows the star apart, it's the new fusion reactions.

  11. Get the paper here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  12. Re:It'll be more interesting when they find.. by phlegmofdiscontent · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's all relative. For years, astronomers have known that Sirius B was about 1 solar mass, plus or minus maybe a tenth. They found this by observing the size of its orbit and its period. This time, using spectroscopy, they can estimate the surface gravity of Sirius B, which will give its radius and mass. There's still uncertainty in the measurement, as in all measurements, but that uncertainty is smaller than previous measurements. Who knows, 20 years from now new techniques could give an even more accurate measure of Sirius B's mass, but one could still say "measured accurately for the first time" since it's better than previous measurements. This is not revolutionary, it's evolutionary.

  13. Re:Time to update Wikipedia? by Viadd · · Score: 4, Informative
    Right idea, wrong mechanism.

    No, white dwarfs do become fusion-powered supernovae, not gravity-powered. IAAA (I am an astrophysicist.)

    A white dwarf becomes a Type Ia supernova when, at around 1.4 solar masses, the pressure at the center reaches the point where it can burn by fusion the carbon-nitrogen-oxygen left over from previous rounds of burning. This leads to a fusion-driven explosion that gets no net energy from gravitational collapse, leading to an expanding gas cloud that is largely hot iron-group elements.

    There is another class of supernova that is gravitationally driven. Core collapse supernovae are produced when a massive star (>8 solar masses, last I heard) has burned 1.4 solar masses at its center to iron. (The 1.4 solar mass value is semi-coincidental with that in the previous paragraph, based on similar but not identical physics.) This is a gravity-powered supernova that blows the outer parts of the core away, leaving a neutron star or black hole where the core was.

    There is no way for a white dwarf to become a core collapse supernova, the fusion kicks in and blows it apart before that happens.
  14. Re:Time to update Wikipedia? by Viadd · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are right that the gravitational binding energy of a white dwarf is comparable to the fusion energy of its combustion from carbon to iron. However, comparable doesn't mean equal and if you work it out, the fusion energy dominates. The gravitational energy is negative, so it reduces the amount of available energy for the supernova (i.e. the ejecta are moving more slowly because it has to climb out of its own gravity well), but it is still energetically favorable to go from a dense chunk of carbon to an expanding diffuse cloud of iron.

  15. Re:The Dogon Mystery by serutan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm glad somebody mentioned the Dogon mystery. It's one of those fascinating things that won't go away. Robert Temple's famous book "The Sirius Mystery" is based mainly on the work of anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who lived among the Dogon for more than 30 years starting in 1931. Critics such as Carl Sagan dismissed the conclusions in Temple's book, theorizing that the Dogon had obtained their astronomical information from modern outside sources. Griaule himself was in fact an amateur astronomer. Dieterlen countered these criticisms by displaying Dogon artifacts that dated back hundreds of years.

    More recently another team of anthropologists led by Walter Van Beek did a 10-year study of the Dogon, beginning in 1991. Van Beek, who managed to speak to some of the same individuals who had known Griaule and Dieterlen, said these Dogon disagreed completely with each other as to which star was meant. Some said it was an invisible star, others said it was Venus. But all of them agreed that they learned about the star from Griaule.