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Clinton Files Game Legislation

GamePolitics is reporting that Senator Clinton has formally filed game legislation. The bill, likely not to be discussed until the Senate returns from Holiday break, is co-sponsored by Senator Lieberman. From the article: "The Senators emphasized that their legislation will put teeth in the enforcement of video game ratings, helping parents protect their children from inappropriate content. They were joined in making the announcement by April DeLaney, Director of the Washington Office for Common Sense Media; Norman Rosenberg, President and CEO of Parents Action for Children and Dr. Michael Rich, Director of the Center on Media and Child Health at Children's Hospital in Boston and Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Harvard Medical School, in a show of support for the legislation. "

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  1. Oh please... by VickiM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This has nothing to do with the children. It has everything to do with the 2008 Presidential election. 'Nough said.

  2. If she's so concerned, by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 2, Funny

    she can have mine...

  3. Re:Wont' Somebody Please by Krater76 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We HAVE laws that specify which games can and cannot be sold to minors.

    No, we don't, at least not federally (states may try but will probably be shut down by the state or federal courts). Just like we don't have laws that enforce the rating for movies. These are guildlines that are pushed down from controlling bodies within each industry.

    You can't get arrested for letting a 12 year-old into an R-rated movie. There might be sanctions from the MPAA on the movie theater but frankly I've never heard of this happenning and I was never warned about it when I worked in one when I was in high school (10 years ago). Although I have common sense to follow guildlines but I did work with people who didn't care.

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  4. Don't Senators watch PBS? by mkraft · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe someone should send the good Senators Professor Jenkin's study debunking the myth that video games cause children to become aggressive homicidal sociopaths as mentioned here on Tuesday.

    Better yet, why doesn't everone send them it.

    Clinton, Hillary- (D - NY)
    476 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
    (202) 224-4451
    Web Form: http://clinton.senate.gov/contact


    Lieberman, Joseph- (D - CT)
    706 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
    (202) 224-4041
    Web Form: http://lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm?rega rding=issue
    While you're at it, why not contact your Senators and tell them to oppose the bill.

  5. You cannot legislate responsibility! by UnidentifiedCoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have said this before, but I will say it again....

    While I agree that it is the role of government to protect its citzens, it is not the role of government to dictate or legislate morality or what is or is not appropriate for my children. The burden of responsibility rests exclusively with parents, not with day care, teachers (who many have turned to to handle their children out of incompotence, frustration or laziness), companies (vote with your wallet if you do not like their product) or the senate (which religious instutions have come to recognize as a cheap and easy police force, it is easier and cheaper than putting butts in pews and does not require consent). It is job of parents to decide what is or what is not appropriate for their children. Having children is a protected right, if you can have a kid without a permit, license, examination or qualification or demonstrated financial stability, then it sure as heck is not the responsiblity of the same government to raise them for you. It is not your T.V.'s, XBox's or teacher's job to raise them either.

    Raising kids is work, it requires time, you may be tired, want to do something else, but you wanted or have kids for whatever reason good or bad, tough luck. Now you are parent. Now you have to guide them, educate them, and punish them. It is work and you do NOT get paid to do it. As I stated previously, I am an adult gamer and soon to be father, I am a big game fan. I like a lot of games in the FPS catagory which are typically classified as violent. It is my job to decide if and when my child will be granted access to such material until they achieve legal age to make such determinations for themselves. It is my job to be interested in my child's activities, to notice that they are despondent, angry or frustrated and about do something stupid. It is MY job to help them, guide them, and punish them.

    That, said, I want to know who would honestly believes that a child could make/modify a sawed-off shotgun in their garage/basement/room if the parent exercised due diligence. You do not do that quietly. It is not something you are assigned in metal shop. I am definitely not going to ask or even expect the $6.25/hour idiot behind the counter the local EBgames to do it for me either. It is my job to make sure that inapporpriate (which I define and decide upon) does not get in the house, the computer, etc. Take five minutes to walk through kid's room, even if you work two shifts at night. That said, kids do not NEED a computer, they want them, them make work easier. For good reason, it makes homework easier (I do not need to learn to spell or use proper grammar, that is what Word is for). I still own and use a working typerwriter (they still make them) and so will my kids. Some tools BREED laziness. Sometimes it is important to learn how to proof read and use a dictionary (spell checker) the old fashioned analogue way.

    Parents may deem content inappropriate for what ever reasons they like, but that does not mean that others are obliged to protect their children from such "evils" if they do not deem it similarly inappropriate. For example, some christian organizations treat Harry Potter as evil for its depictions of magic, etc. That may not be the opinion of another parent, it is not mine. It therefore precludes successful legislation of any kind. It may be necessary to create a rating system, but it is a guide, NOT a rule. I may choose to adhere to it or not. I may choose to take my child to an R rated movie or play a FPS shooter at the age I deem appropriately.

    The computer game industry would be smart to buckle down and create a rigid and reasonable rating system. It should enforce it, it should guarantee the guide's integrity and should punish its own when they break it. I think the industry should be embarrased by the GTA fiasco, does that make GTA or Rockstar bad no. If the industry wants to regulate itself, it should grant the regulators the right to impose fines, damages, punative or othe

    1. Re:You cannot legislate responsibility! by UnidentifiedCoward · · Score: 2

      I am a Jew and I celebrate Christmas. Everybody (read most) people do, and I like the excuse to do some nice things for friends who put a lot of stock in it. It is not skin off my back. Besides Harry Potter is faux evil in a historical perspective (as I remind my friends jokingly on Easter, "Happy My people Nailed Your False Prophet to a Wooden Cross and then Rolled a Big Rock in Front of his Grave Which was Subsequently Robbed and You Thought was a Miracle Day!, wanna go eat some chocalte?"). But remember magic is evil :)

      This makes me laugh.... http://www.bettybowers.com/harrypotter.html ...

      "Hark! Christian friends, do you hear a ringing sound throughout America? That clanging cacophony is coming from every movie theater showing Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. It is the Lord Jesus using cash registers (a communication device He pioneered with Pat Robertson and perfected with Paul and Jan Crouch) to sound a battle clarion for all True Christians living within earshot of a multiplex: With Harry Potter, it is clear that Satan is doing a much better job of marketing witchcraft than we are of peddling Christianity!"

      Reminds me of the Penny-Arcade comic..... http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/08/26

  6. On the Rockstar point... by PhoenixOne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm still confused as hell at what went wrong here. The ESRB rated the game based on the content that was playable. "Hot Coffee" is not part of that content since you can't get to it without intentionally hacking the code. It's like complaining to your cable company that you can see the Playboy channel on your home cable system if you install a 3rd party descrambler and enter a code. WTF?

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    1. Re:On the Rockstar point... by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That requires a cheat device that can make arbitrary changes to the system memory or storage. Once the user starts changing your data and even RAM all bets are off. Sure, the protection to keep it hidden wasn't very effective but as long as the system isn't compromised the code is not triggered. It's like complaining that your car's motor explodes after you ram a few bolts into it and claiming that the manufacturer is at fault for not adding anti-bolt protection to the motor. Rockstar went wrong by claiming none of the HC material was in the game but they DID make the code inaccessible.

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  7. Wikipedia article by jacoplane · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've created a small stub on wikipedia. I'm sure people here could help out flesh out a nice "criticism" section. Here's the article:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Entertainment_ Protection_Act

  8. Dragon Quest by maddskillz · · Score: 2, Funny

    The bill will also outlaw the opening day sale of Dragon Quest on a weekday

  9. *sigh* by Starker_Kull · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just when I think the Democratic Party is starting to grow a spine and stand up for some libertarian principles rather than pander.... No, this is not intended as flame-bait - it is an expression of frustration with a binary political system that has segmented every issue into a "They don't think it's right?!?! Then it MUST be right! Write up a bill legislating it for us to vote on, intern! Oh, and say it's to protect the children!!!" - mentality.

    Here's a wacky idea - instead of legislating a bill "protecting [kids] from a coarsening culture" (Senator Bayh) in fictional video games, how about a bill protecting kids from real gun violence (Over 5,000 kids killed by guns in the US in 1997), real poverty (35,000,000 in 2003 in the U.S), and real rape (204,000 in the USA 2003-2004)? Oh, right, that would involve hard choices about civil liberties, responsibilities, Constitutional rights and freedom of choice, and other complicated things. Screw it, it won't get votes. Ban those nasty video games instead!!!

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=ki ds#1

    http://www.rainn.org/statistics/

    http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/a rchives/income_wealth/002484.html

    http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GU NS/GUNSTAT.html

  10. The Hillary Effect by WittyName · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hillary Clinton and her driver were cruising along a country road
    one evening when an old cow loomed in front of the car. The
    driver tried to avoid it but couldn't - the old cow was killed.
    Hillary told her driver to go up to the farmhouse and explain to the
    owners what happened. She stayed in the car making phone calls
    to lobbyists.

    About an hour later, the driver staggered back to the car with his
    clothes in disarray. He was holding a half empty bottle of
    expensive wine in one hand, an expensive Cuban cigar in the
    other and was smiling happily, smeared with lipstick.

    "What happened?" asked Hillary.

    "Well," the driver replied, "the farmer gave me the cigar, his wife
    gave me the wine, and their beautiful twin daughters made mad
    passionate love to me."

    "My God, what did you tell them?" asked Hillary.
    The driver replied: "I said, I'm Hillary Clinton's driver, and I just
    killed the old cow."

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