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Another NTP Patent Invalidated

darkmeridian writes "Bloomberg reports that the PTO has granted a non-final rejection of a third NTP patent asserted against Research in Motion in the Blackberry litigation. Five patents have been asserted against RIM, and only one of the three rejected has been found to be valid and infringed. Yet this development helps RIM as it seeks to avoid an injunction against operation of the Blackberry network pending appeal."

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  1. Actually rather different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    We have text messaging for years (called SMS here) and now that it transmits eMail, they patent it.

    SMS is basically a good old-fashioned text pager that works entirely on the phone network.
    BlackBerry is more like an e-mail client that works on the phone network.

    I don't know if either deserves a patent, but SMS and BlackBerry are really quite distinct.

  2. Re:They wont shutdown anyway by temcat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Before making this weak attempt at sarcasm you should have consulted a dictionary and understood the difference between patents and trademarks.

  3. Economist's comment on the patents, NTP and RIM by mi · · Score: 2, Informative
    To quote their article:
    Distressed BlackBerry users argue that too many of the world's workers rely on the device for the service to be shut down. But many of their jobs depend on the principle at stake in this case -- that the courts should protect intellectual property because it rewards inventors by conferring a real title to an intangible asset. Business requires confidence that intellectual property will be respected and infringers brought to justice, regardless of whether the litigant is using the patent or not. Only with that security will firms patent and license their inventions, thus allowing others to use their ideas.
    --
    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
  4. Re:Competition is superior to force by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Informative

    These patent procedures are really impossible to understand.

    THere are a lot of things in this world that are not easy to understand. quantum electrodynamics, reinnman geometry, organic chemistry, tort law, female psychology. Just because you haven't mastered an understanding of something doesn't mean it should be discarded or it isn't very useful.

    Items that are revolutionary can be protected, temporarily, by hiding the process.

    It is amazing how bad an understanding of history people have. What you are describing is the practice of trade secrets as existed prior to the invention of the concept of the patent. We have been there and done that. It doesn't work.

    Use competitiveness instead of force to earn your future.

    Your model would completely eliminate any economic progress. Large companies would be free to copy an idea, use it in their products and use their market position to crush any new ideas. I cannot imagine a more disasterous idea.

  5. Re:Invalidate them all by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is such a thing as licensing you know.

    Problem is that current patent law sees no problem with sitting on a patent and refusing to entertain offers to license. Title 35, United States Code, section 271(d). Though laches is potentially an effective defense against patent trolls, it has become much too hard to prove laches nowadays.

  6. Re:Slashdot is to patents what Fox News is to Fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    And here's a followup from someone else who actually knows the patent system from the inside-NTP can now amend the claims being reexamined and present additional arguments as to why the amended claims are now allowable over the rejection. If those claims are allowed they will now carry an extremely strong presumption of validity (actually, almost unbreakable) because of the reexamination. If those claims are still being infringed by RIM, guess what? RIM is totally screwed in court, and will have little recourse except to settle on NTP's terms. I have very little sympathy for RIM in this case, the course of action they have followed has burnt all the bridges behind them. They could have settled years ago, but have instead pushed this case to the limit. If they lose (and there's a very good possibility of that happening) they will have no one to blame but themselves. Of course, almost no one here will actually understand what I'm talking about but that's OK-those who do understand what's happening already know all this.